D4 OR E4!!!!!

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shepi13

Now this is passive and boring chess, from an e4 opening.

iliketosneeze

U see thats the 2 knights defence and white is playing passively why not do the bc4 and maybe get into the lines of the fried bladder attack?

shepi13

The albins counter gambit is not near as tactical as variations of the grunfeld, KID, semi-slav, QGA (both tactical and positional, as white's isolated pawn means black will play to exchange pieces and attack it, while white plays to attack the king), main line slav, benoni, tarrasch, etc. Even some variations of the normal QGD can become tactical once the position opens up. d4 is boring for lower rated players who fail to play actively because they believe it is a passive opening.

shepi13
iliketosneeze

i have to didagree with you there when u get to 1800 u arent going to win on simple tactics and hope your opponent blunders.... you gonna need to play positional chess! that might be boring but well wanna ya now u r now 1800 so buckle up and start playing maybe d4... i am trying to start to playing d4 so i can get better at positional chess .tactics wont take you obeve 1800 u wont get there by just by tactics

mvtjc

Funny to know someone is refuting an opening when he is not even half gm level. Funnier is he literary accepts the title of the study and clearly didn't even understand the analysis well. But the funniest is he thinks that just because KG only offers drawing chances as white then he has the right to say it is busted. These stupid people are some of the reasons I love reading in the forums.

shepi13

You are giving one example of a passive d4 game that supports what you say, when really, 90% of the games turn out as the opposite.

 

Now lets actually compare them.

QGD botvinnik or anti moscow are almost but not quite as tactical as some sicilian lines.

Grunfeld russian variation is much more tactical than any e5 lines.

KID is much more tactical than french.

Mainline slav with Ne5 is more tactical than caro-kann.

Tarrasch, Benoni, QGA, some lines of the nimzo indian (such as the classical variation or lines with f3) are more tactical than other black respones against e4.

 

So how can you say that d4 is more passive than e4. It is actually more tactical.

shepi13

And even the QGD exchange is tactical, the lasker variation, a known drawing weapon, can be tactical, the tarkatower variation, a drawing weapon, can be tactical, even the capablanca freeing variation in the orthodox defense is tactical

shepi13
Azukikuru
ViktorHNielsen wrote:

1: e4! c5?! 2: d4!! clear white edge

Wait... has the Sicilian now been refuted, and by the dubious Smith-Morra Gambit no less? I stop playing for a couple of months and the chess world is turned upside down by an amateur...

shepi13
shepi13
Azukikuru wrote:
ViktorHNielsen wrote:

1: e4! c5?! 2: d4!! clear white edge

Wait... has the Sicilian now been refuted, and by the dubious Smith-Morra Gambit no less? I stop playing for a couple of months and the chess world is turned upside down by an amateur...

No, he's not planning on playing the smith morra, but rather the danish/morra gambit!! 

shepi13

I think it's about 30%-60%-10%. But I would say that white has an edge due to his development, space, and his bishop might be slightly better if he can manage to restrict the black bishop, and white can still try to play this position.

skakmadurinn

e4 is the best move

- Bobby F
ischer 

chessgdt
Shawshank-Redeemer wrote:

e4, d4 is very passive, and you can only play my favorite opening with e4, the parham.

More parhamites?

shepi13
atarw

eeewwwww...

parham player :P

skakmadurinn
shepi13 wrote:
Azukikuru wrote:
ViktorHNielsen wrote:

1: e4! c5?! 2: d4!! clear white edge

Wait... has the Sicilian now been refuted, and by the dubious Smith-Morra Gambit no less? I stop playing for a couple of months and the chess world is turned upside down by an amateur...

No, he's not planning on playing the smith morra, but rather the danish/morra gambit!! 

 

This danish morra gambit is not good because black can play e6 and defende the f7 square. In the danish gambit the pawn is gone and f7 is weak. In the morra gambit you take the c3 pawn with the knight.

TasmanianTiger

c4

shepi13

White wins 30%

Draw 60%

Black wins 10%.

I can look up the exact numbers but it's somewhere around those percentages from the position after f4.