Defences to the Parham Attack

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The_Gavinator

Yes, that's why I showed the percentages from the mainline, that excuses the idiots who get pwned because they don't know where to go after the 4 move mate attempt.

Shepi, 5 games total? Are you joking? That's hardly valuable, and that's on move 2.

DrSpudnik

Proceed with caution all you want, but if you don't have numbers, you're really just peddaling fairy tales and anecdotes about trivial nonsense.

shepi13

Chesstempo after Ne2

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2010 2476/2381/2657
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shepi13

5 isn't much worse than 17.

shepi13

Especially if you realize I used 3 or more databases combined.

nameno1had
The_Gavinator wrote:

Yes I just took a statistics class, although there is no other reliable data, so you must proceed with caution, that's the issue with the Parham, is there's a lack of games.

And shepi what database are you talking about? And the Ruy wins less than the Parham.

I think it would be fair to say, but hard to prove and then account for the level of competition in those games. GM's don't play it, because they know it's basically a "crap shoot". So the reliability of the data being on par with the lines that GM's use, that we consider reputable, would have to be under scrutiny. Its like comparing cadillacs with yugos and saying that because people effectively commute with them by percentage, at a better rate than the cadi's, that somehow makes them better.

DrSpudnik

The results may also be systematically skewed, because most people will only play this against someone they think they are about guaranteed to beat anyway. If that's true, then the mediocre results for White are even more discouraging.

The_Gavinator
shepi13 wrote:

5 isn't much worse than 17.

You have 5 games on move two. Most people go for the 4 move mate then flop. The results on move two are unreliable. I have 17 on move 5, it's completely different.

The_Gavinator

Also CS, I doubt that you will get good results. Engines do stupid moves like Qd1.

kco

post all of those games here please. (the 17 of them)

shepi13
The_Gavinator wrote:
shepi13 wrote:

5 isn't much worse than 17.

You have 5 games on move two. Most people go for the 4 move mate then flop. The results on move two are unreliable. I have 17 on move 5, it's completely different.


4 of the games went past Ne2

The other one had d6 instead of Nc6.

 

Not any real blunders, no 4 move mate, etc.

DrSpudnik

Garbage like this is why GMs have a duty to not spring it on people, even if they are just playing around. Nakamura should be ashamed! Yell

shepi13

I'll give you a hint, gavinator - I used to play this when I was rated 694 USCF. I gave it up once I passed 700. It's dumb.

The_Gavinator

So what you're saying is that you think the Parham scores better for black because of 4 games that are in a database. It amazes me how much you just like to troll.

shepi13

4 games in 2 DB's + 13 games in one > 17

 

You can't do math.

kco
ChristianSoldier007 wrote:

I started it and my computer has slowed indefinitely >.< oh well

that is because the computers hate the Patzer Opening.

The_Gavinator

Or because it is so good that the engine needs to think hard to not get pwned.

And shepi, what databases?

DrSpudnik

Computers run on logic.

The_Gavinator

Right, so KCO's comment is pointless, while mine makes completely logical sense.

shepi13

4 in chesstempo + 4 in chess.com + 13 in chessgames.com

 

Black scores better than white in every one.