Defense against kings pawn

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Avatar of Riemens

Hi,

I am playing against different players of different levels (some good, some not) on the internet, and I can't find a good defense against the king's pawn (1.e4 ... 2.Nf3 ...)

If I play e5, I lose position fast (even against "bad" players). I tried c5 followed by d6, but that's to passive for my style of playing. (I am more for a queen pawn openings and gambits.) I plan to use this opening in fast chess games...

What is your average response to the king's pawn opening and why. I know there is no standard, all-trap-solving opening, but what do you choose?

Thanks in advance

Avatar of RyanMK

you may want to try the French. It isn't as agressive as others, but it's solid and can lead to some very good positions for black.

Avatar of Riemens

RyanMK wrote:

you may want to try the French. It isn't as agressive as others, but it's solid and can lead to some very good positions for black.


Ty, I have taken a quick look at it, and it looks pretty solid as you said

Thanks

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Avatar of uritbon

your should try to look at other lines in the sicilian you showed, you don't have to moves e5 and chase off the knight.

try to look at Nf6, folowed by: Nc3, e6+a6 \ g6, Bg7, 0-0 and other options (i don't have the will power to elaborate... look at sicilian variations that don't leave the little guy behind. zzz......

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sorry... too sleepy

Avatar of chesshole

What are you talking about, that opening is fine

Avatar of pvmike

I'd just stick with e5

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 what lines give you trouble after this?

3.Bb5 Bc5

3.Bc4 Nf6

3.c3 Nf6

3.d4 exd4

3. Nc3 Nf6

Think these are all whites major options for his third move, and then I gave the moves I prefer as black.

Avatar of Riemens

pvmike wrote:

I'd just stick with e5

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 what lines give you trouble after this?

3.Bb5 Bc5

3.Bc4 Nf6

3.c3 Nf6

3.d4 exd4

3. Nc3 Nf6

Think these are all whites major options for his third move, and then I gave the moves I prefer as black.


Thank you for your reply!

After 3.Bb5 Bc5 4.Bxc6 bxc6 5.Nxe5

After this moves, I have a double pawn, no center pawn.

what do you recommend after this? 5. Nxe5 d6 6. Nc6

Thanks in advance

Avatar of KillaBeez

Actually, the line would go Bxc6 dxc6 Nxd5 Qd4! with an advantage to Black

Avatar of Riemens

KillaBeez wrote:

Actually, the line would go Bxc6 dxc6 Nxd5 Qd4! with an advantage to Black


Thank you very much, that's the kind of trap I am looking for :D

Avatar of Bentley1958

I think starting with the french isn't a good idea. Locked bishop on "c8" and so on...

Try to play the caro kan. A slow rock solid opening where you don't face such problems with your white coloured bishop.

Avatar of Pegrin

Instead of running away from your problems by finding a new opening, you should figure out what is wrong with your game after 1. e4 e5. If you are losing fast after that position, that's not the fault of the opening. I suspect that is the result of tactical weakness, which will haunt you no matter what opening you play. Finding another opening will only delay addressing the real issue.

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Pegrin wrote:

Instead of running away from your problems by finding a new opening, you should figure out what is wrong with your game after 1. e4 e5. If you are losing fast after that position, that's not the fault of the opening. I suspect that is the result of tactical weakness, which will haunt you no matter what opening you play. Finding another opening will only delay addressing the real issue.


This can be true, but as I already said, I am more of a queen pawn opening player (stable pawn structure, good piece development,...) With the king's pawn opening (when I am black) I want to develop my black-squared bishop without losing my center pawn. KillaBeez gave me the line which allowed me to do this. Because of this lack of info I came many times into trouble.

Avatar of beowulframa

just curious.. what is your "level" high, low? and i would suggest looking at games that other people have played. (there are a lot of responses to 1. e4  ... 2. Nf3)

1. ... d6, e6, e5, c6, c5 are all pretty common.

Avatar of Riemens

beowulframa wrote:

just curious.. what is your "level" high, low? and i would suggest looking at games that other people have played. (there are a lot of responses to 1. e4  ... 2. Nf3)

1. ... d6, e6, e5, c6, c5 are all pretty common.


My current rating is: 1740 (my max :D) but I have some serious ups and downs now and then. I already looked at several games of other people. But the most are from GM's (most with comments). I started this topic because I lost several games against players with lower ratings because I didn't knew the counter attacks that KillaBeez suggested.

Avatar of Riemens

I just played a game against a "weaker" player. I now played a more relaxed and stable game. And I won the game pretty easy after this opening

Avatar of antidote

Riemens: I'd probably try a Damiano-style attack (Nxe5) in that position after d3 and Kh1. The defence seems quite strong however.

I'll be glad to play you a thematic game starting with the above position to find out if it's good for Black -- in case you're interested.

Avatar of srn347

Try scandinavian(e4 d5). Or you can keep the sicilian(e4 c5) but try replacing the d6 with d5 or something.

Avatar of sstteevveenn

f6 would be the mainline in the exchange lopez, e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 0-0 f6.  Your position is like that but with the bisohp on c5 because white took the knight immediately without being asked.  If white tries taking the e pawn, he's going to give away a piece for 2 pawns, and should lose.