Do certain openings make you feel slightly insulted and angry?

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I believe that Einstein hated chess didn't he?

Guys, here's a funny coincidence that just happened to me. This afternoon I was at my sister's house and I played chess with my 10 year old nephew like I often do. I've been teaching him chess these past few years and I must say he's improving rapidly. In his first game against me as Black lo and behold he plays 1...c6. After his move I got a very serious expression on my face and told him "this move is a bad opening move, do you understand me? When you face 1.e4 you either play the French, the Sicilian, or 1...e5 ok?" I was expecting him to argue but he just goes "ok". Often I let him win the games, but in the game where he played 1...c6 I purposefully beat him. After I won I told him "see how bad of an opening that is, it made you lose" and he just goes "yeah". We played some more games after that, in all of his remaining games as Black he played 1...e5 like he usually does, and in these I went back to letting him win. Quite amazing how these kids are like little sponges absorbing whatever information you give them isn't it?

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Dolphin27 wrote:

I believe that Einstein hated chess didn't he?

Guys, here's a funny coincidence that just happened to me. This afternoon I was at my sister's house and I played chess with my 10 year old nephew like I often do. I've been teaching him chess these past few years and I must say he's improving rapidly. In his first game against me as Black lo and behold he plays 1...c6. After his move I got a very serious expression on my face and told him "this move is a bad opening move, do you understand me? When you face 1.e4 you either play the French, the Sicilian, or 1...e5 ok?" I was expecting him to argue but he just goes "ok". Often I let him win the games, but in the game where he played 1...c6 I purposefully beat him. After I won I told him "see how bad of an opening that is, it made you lose" and he just goes "yeah". We played some more games after that, in all of his remaining games as Black he played 1...e5 like he usually does, and in these I went back to letting him win. Quite amazing how these kids are like little sponges absorbing whatever information you give them isn't it?

So you're deliberately filling his head with false information?  Quite the teacher.  

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I'm a little late to this thread...but don't you think some people get annoyed at you in turn when you play the Danish against them?  It's a busted opening.  Black equalizes positionally but remains a pawn up with a modicum of knowledge...

P.S. I say this as an avid Danish player in casual games.  I would not play it against someone that knew what they are doing, though.

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Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
Dolphin27 wrote:

I believe that Einstein hated chess didn't he?

Guys, here's a funny coincidence that just happened to me. This afternoon I was at my sister's house and I played chess with my 10 year old nephew like I often do. I've been teaching him chess these past few years and I must say he's improving rapidly. In his first game against me as Black lo and behold he plays 1...c6. After his move I got a very serious expression on my face and told him "this move is a bad opening move, do you understand me? When you face 1.e4 you either play the French, the Sicilian, or 1...e5 ok?" I was expecting him to argue but he just goes "ok". Often I let him win the games, but in the game where he played 1...c6 I purposefully beat him. After I won I told him "see how bad of an opening that is, it made you lose" and he just goes "yeah". We played some more games after that, in all of his remaining games as Black he played 1...e5 like he usually does, and in these I went back to letting him win. Quite amazing how these kids are like little sponges absorbing whatever information you give them isn't it?

So you're deliberately filling his head with false information?  Quite the teacher.  

Wow that is utterly disgraceful.  You should be ashamed.

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Um, well I'm not sure how exactly you can turn things around and say it's preferable to get angry over moves lol. Why do I need a reaction to my opponent playing ...f6? Will something bad happen if I don't? I kind of just want to play chess and win lol.

Now, the inability to feel would be more of a problem in, well, real life situations, where someone is hurt and they need help. You know, because, then your emotions will actually cause you to help that person; they will actually lead to something good. But if I'm worrying too much about that ...f6 move my opponent played, all that time I could spend using my emotions for good would be spent on... whining.

Not saying whining is the worst thing in the world, but, it's more of a thing to deal with, not something to be proud of.

@Dolphin: Btw I believe Einstein had a strength of about 1800, so I don't think he could have hated chess. Although he probably thought it would be more fulfilling to do more science.

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If anything I'm more guarded about my emotions / reactions when someone plays something "bad." Not only are there a lot of playable moves that are bad looking, but even if it is legitimately bad, then my reaction is something my opponent should be counting on.

Best to just get excited about an interesting position. If I think I can refute it, great, try my best and will have something to chew on in analysis.

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Elubas wrote:

Um, well I'm not sure how exactly you can turn things around and say it's preferable to get angry over moves lol. Why do I need a reaction to my opponent playing ...f6? Will something bad happen if I don't? I kind of just want to play chess and win lol.

Now, the inability to feel would be more of a problem in, well, real life situations, where someone is hurt and they need help. You know, because, then your emotions will actually cause you to help that person; they will actually lead to something good. But if I'm worrying too much about that ...f6 move my opponent played, all that time I could spend using my emotions for good would be spent on... whining.

Not saying whining is the worst thing in the world, but, it's more of a thing to deal with, not something to be proud of.

You don't understand, there are people (amateurs, not pros) who spend entire weeks memorizing lines only to have that big idiot playing 1...f6 against them - throwing all the beautiful emotional time spent memorizing emotive lines in the bin. Now, this is really bad, and the big fat idiot should really be ashamed - he's not playing according to the rules. All book or all nothing! Damn!

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Dolphin27 wrote:

I believe that Einstein hated chess didn't he?

Guys, here's a funny coincidence that just happened to me. This afternoon I was at my sister's house and I played chess with my 10 year old nephew like I often do. I've been teaching him chess these past few years and I must say he's improving rapidly. In his first game against me as Black lo and behold he plays 1...c6. After his move I got a very serious expression on my face and told him "this move is a bad opening move, do you understand me? When you face 1.e4 you either play the French, the Sicilian, or 1...e5 ok?" I was expecting him to argue but he just goes "ok". Often I let him win the games, but in the game where he played 1...c6 I purposefully beat him. After I won I told him "see how bad of an opening that is, it made you lose" and he just goes "yeah". We played some more games after that, in all of his remaining games as Black he played 1...e5 like he usually does, and in these I went back to letting him win. Quite amazing how these kids are like little sponges absorbing whatever information you give them isn't it?

You're indroducing flaws into your nephews chess understanding. Just because you're biased against certain openings doesn't mean you get to stunt the development of another person. Apologize to him at the nearest convenience.

Openings don't make anyone lose. That's shortsighted thinking. There's still the middlegame and the endgame to worry about. Your nephew lost to you because you are more experienced at Chess, not because of his choice in opening.

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Dolphin27 wrote:

I believe that Einstein hated chess didn't he?

Guys, here's a funny coincidence that just happened to me. This afternoon I was at my sister's house and I played chess with my 10 year old nephew like I often do. I've been teaching him chess these past few years and I must say he's improving rapidly. In his first game against me as Black lo and behold he plays 1...c6. After his move I got a very serious expression on my face and told him "this move is a bad opening move, do you understand me? When you face 1.e4 you either play the French, the Sicilian, or 1...e5 ok?" I was expecting him to argue but he just goes "ok". Often I let him win the games, but in the game where he played 1...c6 I purposefully beat him. After I won I told him "see how bad of an opening that is, it made you lose" and he just goes "yeah". We played some more games after that, in all of his remaining games as Black he played 1...e5 like he usually does, and in these I went back to letting him win. Quite amazing how these kids are like little sponges absorbing whatever information you give them isn't it?

"So you're deliberately filling his head with false information?  Quite the teacher."

False information?! What! We call this religion, sir! Not false information!
 
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Justs99171 wrote:
Dolphin27 wrote:

I believe that Einstein hated chess didn't he?

Guys, here's a funny coincidence that just happened to me. This afternoon I was at my sister's house and I played chess with my 10 year old nephew like I often do. I've been teaching him chess these past few years and I must say he's improving rapidly. In his first game against me as Black lo and behold he plays 1...c6. After his move I got a very serious expression on my face and told him "this move is a bad opening move, do you understand me? When you face 1.e4 you either play the French, the Sicilian, or 1...e5 ok?" I was expecting him to argue but he just goes "ok". Often I let him win the games, but in the game where he played 1...c6 I purposefully beat him. After I won I told him "see how bad of an opening that is, it made you lose" and he just goes "yeah". We played some more games after that, in all of his remaining games as Black he played 1...e5 like he usually does, and in these I went back to letting him win. Quite amazing how these kids are like little sponges absorbing whatever information you give them isn't it?

"So you're deliberately filling his head with false information?  Quite the teacher."

False information?! What! We call this religion, sir! Not false information!
 


Religion and False Information are one in the same thing!

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I had a friend at this web site that told me that her chess coach in school told her that if white plays correctly, black must lose in the Ruy Lopez; and she believes it. This girl is 18, almost 19.

People have beliefs in chess on an ideological level.

Understand this! I am not a religious man, but even religious people have doubts. However, no one doubts the ideologies in which they believe.

There might not be a God ...

But man to man defense is the only true defense. Playing zone isn't playing defense at all. Zones are for lazy players.

I was taught this by my Jr. high basketball coach and I am as sure about this being true as I am sure the sky is blue and the sun will come up tomorow. In fact, when he went to write "zone" on the chalk board, he pretended like he didn't know how to spell it or say it. The he said, "how about this ..." and wrote "man to man."

Later in high school, our junior varsity team was short players and we had only 5 for the entire game - no subs. This was beause two high school players were suspended and one of our junior varsity players. So a couple of our starters were promoted to varsity for the game.

Our whole team faught and argued with the coach over not wanting to play zone and wanting to play man to man. So all 5 of us wanted to play man to man. We didn't care that we had to play the entire game with no subs. The coach told us we were going to run our selves ragged by playing man to man and coerced us to play zone. We were getting our asses kicked by about 50 points. At half time we had more tantrums and he agreed to let us play man to man. We lost that game by less than 10 points! The power of conviction in ideology even transcends your physical capabilities.

So if this guy wants to brain wash his nephew over something so insignificant as a chess opening, let them drink the koolaide. Good grief! You guys are acting like this man is starting a cult or genocidal political campaign.

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Dolphin27 wrote:

I believe that Einstein hated chess didn't he?

Guys, here's a funny coincidence that just happened to me. This afternoon I was at my sister's house and I played chess with my 10 year old nephew like I often do. I've been teaching him chess these past few years and I must say he's improving rapidly. In his first game against me as Black lo and behold he plays 1...c6. After his move I got a very serious expression on my face and told him "this move is a bad opening move, do you understand me? When you face 1.e4 you either play the French, the Sicilian, or 1...e5 ok?" I was expecting him to argue but he just goes "ok". Often I let him win the games, but in the game where he played 1...c6 I purposefully beat him. After I won I told him "see how bad of an opening that is, it made you lose" and he just goes "yeah". We played some more games after that, in all of his remaining games as Black he played 1...e5 like he usually does, and in these I went back to letting him win. Quite amazing how these kids are like little sponges absorbing whatever information you give them isn't it?

disgusting.you should be ashamed of yourself.

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how can justs still not be banned? unbelievable...

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The same way your thread was removed, Chess_Troller

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Hey Dolphin care to play me with white in a caro kann?

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I can't say I get insulted or angry.  Openings are openings, and chess is chess.  However, when my opponent brings their queen out early and I can't find a way to punish this, I do get a bit frustrated.  On a few occassions I have even pressed to find a way to attack the queen and it has put me in a bad position.  Of course, this is a weakness in my own game, so really I get annoyed with myself.

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About the Alekhine......think of this for a second, imagine that all the pawns are one piece. This would mean that both sides have only developed 3 points worth of pieces into the center.(3 pawns and 1 knight) so actually both sides have moved the same piece more than once. :)

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dolphin retach your nephew,

1 e4

...e5 he blows you off the board

...c5 he wins in the endgame

...c6 he wins

...e6 he either gets mated by a sound sacrifice of either d4 or b2, or he gets outplayed because he was stuck with a horrible light squared bishop.

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Play what you want. Just don't say "Best by test!" I know it rhymes and all...