Does anybody know a solid opening for white

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Compadre_J
tygxc wrote:

@20

"The Scholar Opening is only trash “IF” your opponent knows how to deal with it."
++ It is trash if your opponent does not know or find out how to deal with it too: you get a free win, from which you learn nothing at all.

Oh, I am sure things can be learned.

Every game can be educational.

blueemu

The rationale seems to be "you should play lots of bad moves now, because as you improve you will face stronger opponents".

How about "you should play good moves now, and improve more quickly than your opponents do"?

Compadre_J
blueemu wrote:

The rationale seems to be "you should play lots of bad moves now, because as you improve you will face stronger opponents".

How about "you should play good moves now, and improve more quickly than your opponents do"?

Yes, you could play good moves.

You could improve more quickly.

In Fact, Lets go step further and say you can even become a Chess Master.

Will the day come where you regret not playing more Scholar Opening games? A lot of chess players I have talked with regret they didn’t play some crazy unsound stuff in there beginning chess years.

blueemu

You talk to some odd people.

Compadre_J

A Chess World with out lvl 900 players going for a Scholar’s Mate is Sad Broken Chess World.

The Wondering Queen + Scholars Mate

- The most important chess opening a lvl 900 player can ever have.

- The lessons learned are irreplaceable.

jmpchess12

The only defense I can see for dubious free win openings (scholar's, englund, traxler etc. etc.) is that if playing in the pool free wins will raise your elo and get you stronger opponents (but not so strong as to blow you out of the water earlier). Basically if you're 900 strength and a few free wins gets you to 1000, you're effectively playing up 100 all the time which can be beneficial.

And with all that said it's probably much better to play sound chess from the get go.

LITO13mtz

Que racista

SkolaSahaPesakKFM

The english opening

joshforthewin

I have a near 60% win rate with the scotch gambit it is a phenomenal opening

TheRaptor5988

People are gonna hate me for suggesting this, but the London System has served me really well. It's solid (which is what you asked for), and it's pretty simple.

If you want another option, the Hippopotamus Attack, which is basically the Hippopotamus Defense, but it's for White.

Another option is the Italian Opening, but there's a lot to learn with that, but it's still solid.

Yet another option is the Queens Gambit.

There are many others, but those are some really good ones.

Ethan_Brollier
Compadre_J wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
Christmas1tree wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:

If your Chess Rank is 900 or Below, You have remarkable options available to you.

The Scholars Opening (which includes Scholar Mate) is a solid viable line for you.

Oh btw, the scholars opening is easily punishable, especially if you play it against the Dutch or Sicilian.

The Scholars Mate Opening has a Shelf Life.

You really should play it while you can.

When you reach rank 1,000, The Scholars Opening will begin to fade away. Eventually, your ranking can get so high you never see it again.

That's like saying crashing a car into a wall has a shelf life, so you should do it while you still have working legs to use the gas pedal. Just because you CAN does NOT mean you should.
The Scholar's Opening is trash.

The Scholar Opening is only trash “IF” your opponent knows how to deal with it. The player is playing against opponents 900 or lower. Those players have high likelihood of not knowing how to respond to such a crude simplistic caveman attack. The beginner shouldn’t waste this opportunity to be Scholarly. He may never have a chance to play this opening later when his ranking improves.

The "Scholar's Opening" (Wandering Queen w/ 3. Bc4 or Bishop's Opening with 3. Qh5) is trash. Period. End of story. Your opponent may not know how to deal with it, they may just play the French, the Scandinavian, the Alekhine's, the Petrov, the Taimanov, or the Kan Sicilian and unintentionally neutralize your attack. Any attack which can be defeated completely on accident is a bad attack, regardless of the quality of your opponent. The beginner shouldn't waste this time to form good habits, as making good habits early is MUCH MUCH MUCH simpler than breaking bad ones later. The beginner can always just make a new Chess.com or Lichess account at 100 rating and play Scholar's Mate if (for some backwards, unintuitive reason) he really just wants to play atrocious chess.

Juan_Jorje_Po
Compadre_J wrote:
blueemu wrote:

The rationale seems to be "you should play lots of bad moves now, because as you improve you will face stronger opponents".

How about "you should play good moves now, and improve more quickly than your opponents do"?

Yes, you could play good moves.

You could improve more quickly.

In Fact, Lets go step further and say you can even become a Chess Master.

Will the day come where you regret not playing more Scholar Opening games? A lot of chess players I have talked with regret they didn’t play some crazy unsound stuff in there beginning chess years.

Hi I am a beginner 1000, I know you're trying to prove a point here but here's the crazy fact; you can play the Scholar's Mate even if you're a master.

This is a real game between Magnus and Shamsiddin Vokhidov. (Magnus lost this game lol).

And you also can play more stupid and funny moves when you are in the top level, just with some risks.

Compadre_J
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
Christmas1tree wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:

If your Chess Rank is 900 or Below, You have remarkable options available to you.

The Scholars Opening (which includes Scholar Mate) is a solid viable line for you.

Oh btw, the scholars opening is easily punishable, especially if you play it against the Dutch or Sicilian.

The Scholars Mate Opening has a Shelf Life.

You really should play it while you can.

When you reach rank 1,000, The Scholars Opening will begin to fade away. Eventually, your ranking can get so high you never see it again.

That's like saying crashing a car into a wall has a shelf life, so you should do it while you still have working legs to use the gas pedal. Just because you CAN does NOT mean you should.
The Scholar's Opening is trash.

The Scholar Opening is only trash “IF” your opponent knows how to deal with it. The player is playing against opponents 900 or lower. Those players have high likelihood of not knowing how to respond to such a crude simplistic caveman attack. The beginner shouldn’t waste this opportunity to be Scholarly. He may never have a chance to play this opening later when his ranking improves.

The "Scholar's Opening" (Wandering Queen w/ 3. Bc4 or Bishop's Opening with 3. Qh5) is trash. Period. End of story. Your opponent may not know how to deal with it, they may just play the French, the Scandinavian, the Alekhine's, the Petrov, the Taimanov, or the Kan Sicilian and unintentionally neutralize your attack. Any attack which can be defeated completely on accident is a bad attack, regardless of the quality of your opponent. The beginner shouldn't waste this time to form good habits, as making good habits early is MUCH MUCH MUCH simpler than breaking bad ones later. The beginner can always just make a new Chess.com or Lichess account at 100 rating and play Scholar's Mate if (for some backwards, unintuitive reason) he really just wants to play atrocious chess.

A lot of chess openings are trash.

As a player ranked 2k+, I know why these openings are trash. The story of playing these openings against opponents with equal strength to me has come to end.

You are 100% correct, BUT this thread isn’t about me!

This thread is about players lvl 900 or below.

Do the lvl 900 players know why the Scholars Opening is trash?

Do they know how to attack & defend against it?

Maybe, they don’t know!

If they don’t know, Than they need to learn.

Best way to learn is by playing.

Thus, they should play it like I have been saying.

Juan_Jorje_Po
Compadre_J wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
Christmas1tree wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:

If your Chess Rank is 900 or Below, You have remarkable options available to you.

The Scholars Opening (which includes Scholar Mate) is a solid viable line for you.

Oh btw, the scholars opening is easily punishable, especially if you play it against the Dutch or Sicilian.

The Scholars Mate Opening has a Shelf Life.

You really should play it while you can.

When you reach rank 1,000, The Scholars Opening will begin to fade away. Eventually, your ranking can get so high you never see it again.

That's like saying crashing a car into a wall has a shelf life, so you should do it while you still have working legs to use the gas pedal. Just because you CAN does NOT mean you should.
The Scholar's Opening is trash.

The Scholar Opening is only trash “IF” your opponent knows how to deal with it. The player is playing against opponents 900 or lower. Those players have high likelihood of not knowing how to respond to such a crude simplistic caveman attack. The beginner shouldn’t waste this opportunity to be Scholarly. He may never have a chance to play this opening later when his ranking improves.

The "Scholar's Opening" (Wandering Queen w/ 3. Bc4 or Bishop's Opening with 3. Qh5) is trash. Period. End of story. Your opponent may not know how to deal with it, they may just play the French, the Scandinavian, the Alekhine's, the Petrov, the Taimanov, or the Kan Sicilian and unintentionally neutralize your attack. Any attack which can be defeated completely on accident is a bad attack, regardless of the quality of your opponent. The beginner shouldn't waste this time to form good habits, as making good habits early is MUCH MUCH MUCH simpler than breaking bad ones later. The beginner can always just make a new Chess.com or Lichess account at 100 rating and play Scholar's Mate if (for some backwards, unintuitive reason) he really just wants to play atrocious chess.

A lot of chess openings are trash.

As a player ranked 2k+, I know why these openings are trash. The story of playing these openings against opponents with equal strength to me has come to end.

You are 100% correct, BUT this thread isn’t about me!

This thread is about players lvl 900 or below.

Do the lvl 900 players know why the Scholars Opening is trash?

Do they know how to attack & defend against it?

Maybe, they don’t know!

If they don’t know, Than they need to learn.

Best way to learn is by playing.

Thus, they should play it like I have been saying.

No.

Sum1_5968

I think that e3 is good.

It releases your Queen AND White-Squared Bishop!

Sum1_5968

Plus, then you may get this cool Q&B checkmate unless Black stops you:

Compadre_J
TheBlackBishopChess wrote:

Imho (I'm currently not ranked 2k but suspect I'm at least 2000 based on my play)...

I would NOT advise my sons (who I coach) to play the Scholar's mate or other gimmick openings because I want them focusing on developing sound chess fundamentals. I however play it against them to train them on how to deal with it should they encounter it.

I also show them how sound opening fundamentals punish these gimmicks (sometimes unintentionally) and this is why I believe it's a waste of time playing them in the first place

You said in a different thread your sons are above 1k ranking.

I am recommending the Scholar’s mate for players 900 and below.

I recommend the Pawn Storm Push Opening for players 1k.

Players in the 1k range can’t handle be overrun with pawns.

blueemu
Compadre_J wrote:
TheBlackBishopChess wrote:

Imho (I'm currently not ranked 2k but suspect I'm at least 2000 based on my play)...

I would NOT advise my sons (who I coach) to play the Scholar's mate or other gimmick openings because I want them focusing on developing sound chess fundamentals. I however play it against them to train them on how to deal with it should they encounter it.

I also show them how sound opening fundamentals punish these gimmicks (sometimes unintentionally) and this is why I believe it's a waste of time playing them in the first place

You said in a different thread your sons are above 1k ranking.

I am recommending the Scholar’s mate for players 900 and below.

I recommend the Pawn Storm Push Opening for players 1k.

Players in the 1k range can’t handle be overrun with pawns.

It seems to me that your recommendations are geared towards one weak player snatching rating points from another, and not toward actually improving the play of the weaker players.

There is literally no point in snatching a few rating points without also improving your game. You'll just lose those points right back again, as soon as you encounter an opponent who doesn't fall into the cheap trap.

If you want to increase your rating and KEEP those new rating points, there are only two methods available... either snatch a few rating points and then never play chess again, or else learn to improve your playing strength.

Parenting_Fail

Ruy Lopez is the most often used opening by Magnus in classical chess, that says it all. You can look up games by the greats using this opening.

Compadre_J
blueemu wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
TheBlackBishopChess wrote:

Imho (I'm currently not ranked 2k but suspect I'm at least 2000 based on my play)...

I would NOT advise my sons (who I coach) to play the Scholar's mate or other gimmick openings because I want them focusing on developing sound chess fundamentals. I however play it against them to train them on how to deal with it should they encounter it.

I also show them how sound opening fundamentals punish these gimmicks (sometimes unintentionally) and this is why I believe it's a waste of time playing them in the first place

You said in a different thread your sons are above 1k ranking.

I am recommending the Scholar’s mate for players 900 and below.

I recommend the Pawn Storm Push Opening for players 1k.

Players in the 1k range can’t handle be overrun with pawns.

It seems to me that your recommendations are geared towards one weak player snatching rating points from another, and not toward actually improving the play of the weaker players.

There is literally no point in snatching a few rating points without also improving your game. You'll just lose those points right back again, as soon as you encounter an opponent who doesn't fall into the cheap trap.

If you want to increase your rating and KEEP those new rating points, there are only two methods available... either snatch a few rating points and then never play chess again, or else learn to improve your playing strength.

It’s not about keeping the points.

It’s about learning.

Players ranked 900 and below are playing in the trenches. It is pointless trying to teach a player the finer points of chess when they are standing in mud dealing with a slugfest.

It is pointless teaching a rank 900 player how to play the Italian Game, Spanish Opening, or even the London system because on move 2 their opponents will deviate or do something random. It’s better to teach them brutal force attacking and piece coordination.

When they snatch points away from these “weaker” players, they will gain rank and be matched with opponents which are more refined. At which point, The same Scholars Opening & Tricks will no longer work, but that is ok because I am only recommending the above lines for people 900 rank or below. When he breaks 1k, He will need to change to new opening.

One which is better suited to handle the new level of opponent.

- Pawn Pushing

Those 1k players which don’t develop pieces, but instead chose to swarm you with pawns. Than you get overrun and end up losing some crazy sort of way.

- Bishop Pins

Those annoying players who try to pin your Knight to your Queen or King. It feels absolutely miserable to deal with when your a low level player.

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Obviously, these things are not the most sound way to play.

It doesn’t matter because the opponents they are facing with be the ones who have to refute it which they may or may not be able too.

Than if they win, They will gain ranking. The same old bag of tricks will have to change.

Eventually, They will get high enough in rank that they will need to learn a better more solid opening. I wouldn’t start off with a solid opening because players sometimes don’t think they are making process.

If you play a line like Italian Game at rank 900, Than hit 1,300 with it. You will not feel like you made any progress because you have had same line the whole time and nothing seems or feels different.

In addition, players who stick with only 1 line for a long time often gain the condition opening dependency. The Italian Game & London are solid opening recommendation for beginners and they can be played at the highest of chess levels, but they are often not played as much.

They are very solid, but they also allow Black to Equalize. When you get high enough in ranking, It isn’t recommended to keep playing them. Stronger players will start recommending other lines which can be very hard for some people.

You play Italian Game from rank 900 to 1,900. Than your told by title player the line doesn’t maintain white initiative. It is to passive of an opening and you need something more aggressive or theoretical. Do you know how hard it is to change lines when you have been playing only same line for very long time?

A lot of people struggle to do it because they got line dependency. They played it so long they don’t want to let go of it and some even think they can’t get better with out it. Players who change their openings more often don’t have same emotional connection.