Dutch Defense

@Fromper: Are the games you refer to OTB or Online?  I am now 2 for 2 in 1.d4 e6 transpositions to the French.

@Fortiscue: I have to see these Anti-Dutch lines in actual games first, before I know whether I like or dislike them, but I'll certainly look for Stonewall transpositions. Thanks for the advice.

What I think I'm going to end up doing is play 1.d4 f5 half the time and 1.d4 e6 the other half. It's not right to give up on the ...e6 line just because I have some prejudicial hate of the French, nor is it right to stop playing ...f5 just because some Anti-Dutch lines I have yet to see might scare me.  So I'm going to try both and after a hundred games or so, I'll decide which I like more.

I play the e6 move order in both OTB and online games. As I said, I've only had the French transposition once. But I also don't play much blitz, so it's only been a few dozen games total since I started using that move order. I really need to play more blitz, actually.

FWIW, the openings explorer shows that after 1.d4 e6, 2.e4 is white's most popular second move by a factor of 5!

I will say that with my experience using that move order, it's been more like 1:1.

I think openings explorer takes transpositions into account, so it's probably also counting occurrances of 1. e4 e6 2. d4 when counting how many games reached the position after 1. d4 e6 2. e4.

As I said, most 1. d4 players aren't looking to transpose to an e4 opening, especially if they suspect that their opponent knows it well. I usually see 2. c4, 2. g3, or 2. Nf3 after 1. d4 e6. But at lower levels, where players are just playing by principles, and they've been told to occupy the center, I guess they might be more likely to just push 2. e4.

@Fromper: I'd say you're a very lucky person only to have seen a transposition once in three dozen games.

While I was searching up Dutch Defence on Google I stumbled across this website which you can use as an intro to the Leningrad or Stonewall Dutch as well as ideas on what to do against the Anti-Dutch lines. It is by NM Michael Aigner.

http://www.fpawn.com/chess/IntroDutch.htm

I suggest you look at the Anti-Dutch section to get an idea of what to do and then look at games within these lines so you get the general concepts.

There is nothing wrong with the Dutch Defense

Shame it's not played more often

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262566057_COMPARING_CHESS_OPENINGS_PART_3_QUEEN%27S_PAWN_OPENINGS?ev=prf_pub

I recently started playing the Dutch.

Then I dumped it because it was so tricky.

Then I started playing it again because I didn't like quitting.

Now I am starting to understand and like it.

Unfortunately, I don't get that many 1. d4 players.

Hello Petcheburi!!

The 1...e6 move order was suggested on page one above. I have since stopped playing the Dutch in favor of the QGD, but still start with 1...e6 to avoid other junk like the Veresov or the Hodgeson Attack.

I play the Dutch, and am aware of the recommendation to start with 1...e6.  I've always started 1.f4 anyway because I'm not attracted to the idea of playing the black side of the French Defense.  But thank you Fromper for pointing out that most 1.d4 players don't want to play the French Defense.  For whatever reason, I had not thought of this.  Now I'm more motivated to respond to 1.d4 with 1...e6 (and only then 2...f5) since I do like the Classical variation of the Dutch Defense.  Of course I'll end up playing the French Defence sometimes, but I agree that it's worth it to avoid the more annoying anti-Dutch lines.

P.S. I know that I'm replying to a 4-year-old post.  Doesn't matter -- the information is still relevant, and of use to others who have not already read this thread.

I can recommend you the Dutch Stonewall as a secret weapon. There are some masters playing it and black often gets a very good attack on the kingside. Ask me if I should show you some lines and theory about it. Its more about Plans and very easy to learn and to play. Cheers, Till :)

The Stonewall/Leningrad/Classical/Qside Fianchetto honestly gives Black enough weapons against 1. d4 (and many other systems) to not have to worry about another defense.  If you eliminate the Leningrad from your repertoire, you can play the safer 1...e6.

If after 1.d4 e6 2.e4 instead of playing into the french , i play 2....d6 and transpose into the HIPPO ! then neither one of us has a clue what we are doing .

Nakamura has played the Dutch (Leningrad, as I vaguely recall) in top-level competition, and quite recently. See what you can dig up.

pfren, do you go in via 1...f5, or some other route?  And after the standard 1. d4 f5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 g6 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. 0-0 0-0 6. c4 d6 7. Nc3 tabiya, which route do you go and why?

I ask the first question because some people (even strong Dutch supporters) will avoid 2. e4, 2. Bg5, etc.  I play both the Bird and the Dutch and I think some of these early maneuvers offer good play for White.

As far as my second question, I typically go for ...c6 (which Gavrikov had shown me a while back).  This seems to offer an interesting blend of defense and offense for Black.  

Here is a link to the DUTCH Theme Tournament

http://www.chess.com/tournament/dutch-theme-tournament

It will be a recurring tournament for Dutch enthusiasts.

For info on the dutch, visit GM Williams Videos: http://www.chess.com/video/library?keyword=classical+dutch&author=Ginger_GM&players=&opening=&skill_level=&category=

Thanks for the message. In my view I think everyone who truly enjoys learning or has interest in actually playing the dutch (or against it) may find interest in this post.

Yes it would be nice to send an announcement. Is this button available for announcements only to registered players?

hmmm, still not sure. I will gladly give it a try though!