Dzindzi-indian?

  • #1

    While looking for ambitious and intriguing Black set-ups vs queen pawn openings, I stumbled upon this example game demonstrating the Dzindzi-Indian. Always fun to see dogmatic chess rules be bent out of shape :D 



  • #2

    I wouldnt play it myself, but it seems to give interesting positions.

    What if they play 3.nf3?  do you continue with c5 and hope to transpose?

  • #3

    Though shalt play e4 anyways and be better

  • #4

    I think 5...f5 is a good try by black, but 6.e3 doesn't look right for white. Probably better is 6.Nf3 or Qc2. and like moonnie said, white might be able to get away with 6.e4 anyway........

  • #5

    Indeed, e4 is very possible and has been causing black some trouble. Anyway, Nf3 or e4 can be played when black cant play dzindi

  • #6

    There's about 363 games with it in the Game Explorer here and probably lots more at www.365chess.com. It looks interesting esp since it will probably surprise a lot of opponents - like me for instance Tongue Out I'd probably dismiss it as a mistake if I first saw it OTB which would be a mistake all right - on my part.

  • #7

    Wow, really nice.

  • #8

    Players who play the Dzindzi Indian are usually also Sniper players. I was interested in The Sniper defense but often times it winds up being a Sicilian and I didn't like that about it. I'm not playing something offbeat just to find myself often times wind up swimming in mainstream waters.  

  • #9
    melvernboy wrote:

    Why not 2.e4?

    Nothing wrong with 2 e4, many players choose it. Then black heads for The Sniper, black still plays the same first three moves 1...g6, 2...Bg7, 3...c5 and still has ...Bxc3 on his mind if given the chance.

  • #10

    has the sniper gained any popularity at GM level? or is it one of those 'patzers choice' lines

  • #11
    Fear_ItseIf wrote:

    has the sniper gained any popularity at GM level? or is it one of those 'patzers choice' lines

    I don't know the answer, I have my doubts. I have both Henley's book and Storey's book. I don't mind a bit of shakey foundation if something can still score well on the club level, which it very well may can. I just can't get by the Sicilian part of it, many times black is in an Accelerated Dragon, or Maroczy bind. Black can play it as Pterdactyl Sicilian in order to avoid some mainline stuff, but I gave up on playing the Sniper when a line eventually transposed from a Pterdactyl to a Dragon.

    Not really my style anyway, I think I'm just going to stick with openings I'm more comfortable with - 3...Qd6 Scandinavian (Slav style), 4...dxc4 Slav (5...Na6 Smyslov variation, solid and avoids a lot of theory) and the Trompowsky/PseudoTrompowsky (I would say the London, but the London does too poorly against a couple of setups that black can play to suit me). I'll play the Tromp in a sort of London/Slav style whenever possible, such as 3 Nd2 or 3 e3 and not take the f6 knight unless it's necessary in a line. 

  • #12

    I like the ideas of Dzindzi-Indian, but yeah - after about 20 1. d4 g6 games now, 15 have gone 2. e4 and I'm stuck playing a Pirc or transposing into a Sicilian. Nothing inherently wrong with either of course, but I never play that against 1. e4 so I'm auto-stuck in systems I have no knowledge of / interest in, really. Bleh. :) Oh well, back to the drawing board ;)

  • #13

    Sorry, just kidding........

  • #14

    I like the unorthodox ideas in this opening....anybody got anymore games of this??

  • #15

    Much as I dislike my first move to be a flank pawn push, this opening with 1...g6 has a peculiar charm to it. If white is accomodating and pursues the usual queenside build-up c4 and Nc3, the BxN capture on c3 can be quite disruptive, and the doubled pawns on the c-file a lasting defect. See Crisan Alexandru  vs Pavasovic Dusko 

    Of course, I have my own pedestrian contribution:

  • #16

    playing e4 regardless of f5 and shoving the h pawn down the board both give black some serious headaches to deal with but it is definitly a playable opening

  • #17
    p-wnattack wrote:

    playing e4 regardless of f5 and shoving the h pawn down the board both give black some serious headaches to deal with but it is definitly a playable opening

    I have to agree with this assessment. See Miladinovic Igor  vs Skembris Spyridon 

    And here's my fiasco:

     
    It's not all beer and skittles for white in this line, however.......
  • #18

    I would immediately adopt this if it wouldn't get me Pircs all day long.

  • #19
    melvinbluestone wrote:
    p-wnattack wrote:

    playing e4 regardless of f5 and shoving the h pawn down the board both give black some serious headaches to deal with but it is definitly a playable opening

    I have to agree with this assessment. See Miladinovic Igor  vs Skembris Spyridon 

     

    Not a Dzindzi.  A Leningrad run amok.

  • #20

    So black trades off his dark-squared bishop and then proceeds to open up the dark-squares on both sides of the board...

    not a fan

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