Chessking47 ha scritto:
Fiveofswords wrote:
the real reason f6 is a bad move is much simpler. It doesnt develop.
d6 doesn't develop either.
Ah, but it opens a line for the development of the Black queen's bishop.
e4 e5 nf3 f6!!??
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Chessking47 írta:
Fiveofswords wrote:
the real reason f6 is a bad move is much simpler. It doesnt develop.
d6 doesn't develop either.
It doesn't develop, but it prepares the development of the light squared bishop, so it's not a bad move, but of course not as good as the developing move 2. Nc6 or 2. Nf6.
The problem with 2..f6 is that it doesn't do anything. It is supposed to defend the e5 pawn, but the pawn can just be taken. The only thing it does is weaken your king's position. You could even play 2.. a6 and the pawn is still defended indirectly (3.. Qe7 if 3. Nxe5) and that at least wouldn't weaken the king's position. 2. f6 is just a bad move.
It is a horrible defence!! Once someone played it and didn't get smoked by me. If played accurately it can not be a total disaster. But... Most don't and get killed. It was a opening trap I thought I had discovered until recently realising it is actually a named black defence. Anyone that has a clue has to know it is weak!!
Sep 28, 2015
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BettorOffSingle wrote:
he'll play 3...Qe7 for a -0.60 that he knows inside out.
I think you mean +0.6
BettorOffSingle wrote:
Sam Sloan likes to offer to play the Damiano (he's beaten experts with it in tournaments), but what he doesn't tell you is that he'll play 3...Qe7 for a -0.60 that he knows inside out.
Try playing a computer up even a piece and you'll see how difficult it is to win those "easily won positions."
Your +0.60 is actually much closer to +1.60, and it's also well known that when one played against Kasparov, the pieces were moving differently. Definitely not when playing against Sloan, though...
The bust is also well-known: 3...Qe7 4.Nf3 d5 5.d3 dxe4 6.dxe4 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Bf5 8.0-0 (Fisher played 8.Nd4 in the simul and only drew... but 8.Nc3 Qxc2 9.Qxc2 Bxc2 10.Nd4 Bg6 11.Bf4 is also terminal- Black is highly unlikely to survive in that position). 8...Qxc2 9.Qe1, and Black has no good moves left.
3...Ne7 is probably the best line for black
kellypk417 wrote:
It is a horrible defence!! Once someone played it and didn't get smoked by me. If played accurately it can not be a total disaster. But... Most don't and get killed. It was a opening trap I thought I had discovered until recently realising it is actually a named black defence. Anyone that has a clue has to know it is weak!!
Just because an opening requires precise play does not condemn it, it just means it's hard to play - It appears that this opening is fine as long as you play it right.
Sep 4, 2017
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ChessSupremius101 wrote:
kellypk417 wrote:
It is a horrible defence!! Once someone played it and didn't get smoked by me. If played accurately it can not be a total disaster. But... Most don't and get killed. It was a opening trap I thought I had discovered until recently realising it is actually a named black defence. Anyone that has a clue has to know it is weak!!
Just because an opening requires precise play does not condemn it, it just means it's hard to play - It appears that this opening is fine as long as you play it right.
Who cares about precise play if all it gets you is a terrible position? If I play precisely I'd like to get something good for it lol.
Bobby fischer played it. Does that tell you anything?
Black can only regain the lost pawn through 3 .. Qe7, but sacrificing time and his Kingside structure. Black will lose more time when white starts chasing the queen with Nc3 or o-o Re1 and a bishop move. Kind of like a scandinavian with a shattered kingside to boot.
THE DAMIANO DEFENCE IS NOT AT ALL BAD. what about 3... Qe7? material will become equal, and the f6 pawn will help support the center, and limit whites knight once it comes back to f3.
NoHaxJustLuck έγραψε:
THE DAMIANO DEFENCE IS NOT AT ALL BAD. what about 3... Qe7? material will become equal, and the f6 pawn will help support the center, and limit whites knight once it comes back to f3.
3...Qe7 is painfully close to losing by force: Black wastes way too many tempos to recover the pawn, and that pawn on f6 is little more than a very serious liability.
Master of bizarre Gabor Kadas tried 3...Qe7 4.Nf3 d5 5.d3 Nc6!? twenty-something years ago, but eventually gave up on this.
Most people are interested in this crap because of the Fischer simul game, but after 7...Bf5 Black loses by 3 different ways (but not the one chosen by Bobby).
3... Qe7 is the only correct way to play. Anything else is pretty much immediately lost, Qe7 recovers the pawn but is too slow and more time will be lost because there are way too many ways to start harassing that black queen. It's like a scandinavian gone horribly wrong.
Not to mention your kingside is permanently weak. So not only will you be hopelessly behind on development, you have to babysit the permanently weak kingside structure (or try to)
If I were black though, I'd move the knight on f6 after the white queen takes the rook. And the queen is trapped on several moves I think.
3. Bc4 is a simple way for white to get +/-.