1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.f4?! is a typical positional lemon after 3...d5, when the best white can hope about is achieving a French Steinitz a tempo down (although he may not be able to to even that).
I suggest forgetting about opnings, and focusing in some BASIC opening principles (which are failing your attention).
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1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.f4?! is a typical positional lemon after 3...d5, when the best white can hope about is achieving a French Steinitz a tempo down (although he may not be able to do even that).
I suggest forgetting about openings, and focusing in some BASIC opening principles (which are failing your attention).
I never said I would play 3.f4
Pfren you are putting those words in my mouth in which I never said.
I said I would not play 3.Nf3 so that I can keep the option of f4 open.
Considering I might play f4 later on before playing Nf3
or
I could play Nge2 which leaves flexiblity on my F pawn.
The case and point
1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.Nc3
or
1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.g3
Which does not commit my F pawn or my knight.
This is my exact words " I do not think I would want to commit my knight to f3 so fast. Maybe I might want to play f4 first than Nf3. Hmmmm"
I didn't say 3.f4
I do not have to play f4 right away. No one is rushing me to play f4.
You are totally making up an agruement in your own mind than criticizing me.
An since you feel like criticizing me on a move I never said. Go ahead play out your made up continuation with the move 3.f4
Lets see your positional lemon.
1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.f4 d5
You think the best white has is the French Steinitz a tempo down.
I guess we can see. What do you do after 4.Nc3
I see g3 and Bg2 coming and the position seems like its tranposing into the Closed Sicilian.
I do not see how you plan to stop the position from turning into the Closed Sicilian.
An even Boris Spassky would agrue there is no lemon in the Closed Sicilian.
After 4..d4 I do not envy whites position.it almost seems like white has lost tempos in his setup.
After 4..d4 I do not envy whites position.it almost seems like white has lost tempos in his setup.
4...d4 is the only way to justify white's moves! Why not 4...Nf6, "threatening" to take on e4 and provoking e4-e5?
I do not see how you plan to stop the position from turning into the Closed Sicilian.
Well... that verifies you cannot see a couple of moves ahead. And leave Boris alone, OK?
Discussion is always nice, I wouldn't call it arguing, we all learn from it. Besides if I play a bad move on move 4, a good opponent may get an advantage that I won't come back from in a long time control game.
No bb_gum234 I am not using an engine. I have played the KIA and the Closed Sicilian.
However, I do not do the move order with 3.f4
Furthermore, I never said 3.f4
IM Pfren is the one who made up such a move up.
Than tryed to critize me. This is what he said:
I suggest forgetting about openings, and focusing in some BASIC opening principles (which are failing your attention).
The only thing failing here is IM Pfren reading comprehension.
I never once said in any of my post I was going to play the move 3.f4.
Furthermore, He is advicing me to forget about openings. When he is the goof ball who brought the whole line up on post number 18.
If he doesn't want people asking him questions about openings why on earth is he giving out suggestions about openings.
Post #18 says plain as day
" I have played the KIA myself against the 2...e6 Sicilians (starting with 3.d3) but I think Black is fine with the rather unusual 3...b6!? followed by rapid development and holding the d-pawn back to d6."
I asked him how did he respond to 3...b6
and
What he thought about the move 4.Bf4
His response was bascially just to blow me off.
"Sure. It's a nice nothing- the bishop performs no useful function there.
Actually 3...b6 is suggested by IM Hannes Langrock in his recent French repertoire book (of course via the 1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.Nf3 b6 move order)."
You say its a nice nothing than transfer me to a guy named Hannes Langrock as if I am calling customer service. Jerk! Who are you going to transfer me to next some guy named Peggy?
Than after being blow off I didn't say 1 word Bubble gum not 1.
I ignored it, I said to myself it is ok if he doesn't want to tell me thats fine. Maybe I will ask him about the move order. Since I don't know if I would play that move order in one of my own games.
What does he respond with?
1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.f4?! is a typical positional lemon after 3...d5, when the best white can hope about is achieving a French Steinitz a tempo down (although he may not be able to do even that).
I suggest forgetting about openings, and focusing in some BASIC opening principles (which are failing your attention).
He response with a move I didn't say. Calls it a positional lemon. Than critizes my chess understand on a made up move he mentioned.
I should forget about openings he says and focus on BASIC opening princples. They are just failing my attention bb_gum234.
So instead of arguing with an IM, better to ask questions.
You are absolutely right bb_gum234. I am not going to agrue with this IM. I am going to block him. I will never ask him another question again because I see how he treats people who do.
I just use swag
What about the alapin against c5 ?
Phew! Thanks a lot, sir. I really cannot stand pattering dumb people.
I have played e4 all my life. But now, I have been facing troubles against the sicilian dragon, the french and the pirc. Any suggestions on how to avoid them ?
Have you gave any consideration to playing the YugoSlav Attack against the Sicilian Dragon?
1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.f4?! is a typical positional lemon after 3...d5, when the best white can hope about is achieving a French Steinitz a tempo down (although he may not be able to do even that).
I suggest forgetting about openings, and focusing in some BASIC opening principles (which are failing your attention).
1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.f4?! is a typical positional lemon after 3...d5, when the best white can hope about is achieving a French Steinitz a tempo down (although he may not be able to do even that).
I suggest forgetting about openings, and focusing in some BASIC opening principles (which are failing your attention).
I played chess for 20 yrs without studying openings. I used opening principles as you said and rarely came out of the opening in bad shape. I think that is great advice especially to lower rated players. There is much to learn in chess! Opening study can wait in my opinion until you know well the fundamentals of the entire game. If you don't understand those, memorizing opening move orders is pointless. You will lose other wise against someone who does. II thought I knew how to play the French until I played in a tournament that was a French defence only tournament. I had never came out of the opening in such bad shape. Not more than a pawn usually in material, but far behind in development. Luckily, I may have had a similar rating but my middle game and when needed endgame knowledge and skill was greater and was able to win. I since started studying opening defences for black and have improved and have an easier time as black. In my opinion principal fundamentals is better than memorizing opening lines of which there is a life time of study.
Thank You! Somebody else that realizes and understands that opening study can wait. As i post earlier, i made it to USCF A class without any opeing books, or opening study. Opening principles, and pawn structure are what you need to learn and understand.
Also, just my 2 cents but 4.Nc3 is bad
I have played e4 all my life. But now, I have been facing troubles against the sicilian dragon, the french and the pirc. Any suggestions on how to avoid them ?
Are you sure it's just the opening you are having problems with? Maybe it is just the middlegame part you are having trouble with. If you lose, how many moves until the loss? That will tell you which part of the game you are having problems with.
I have played e4 all my life. But now, I have been facing troubles against the sicilian dragon, the french and the pirc. Any suggestions on how to avoid them ?
Are you sure it's just the opening you are having problems with? Maybe it is just the middlegame part you are having trouble with. If you lose, how many moves until the loss? That will tell you which part of the game you are having problems with.
If you look at his losses, it isnt openings he needs to worry about. Its simple tactics.
Thank You! Somebody else that realizes and understands that opening study can wait. As i post earlier, i made it to USCF A class without any opeing books, or opening study. Opening principles, and pawn structure are what you need to learn and understand.
Also, just my 2 cents but 4.Nc3 is bad
This position has been played before by 2 - 2300+ players In 2008.
After 4.Nc3 Nf6 white continued with 5.Nf3
An the below game is how the game ended up. Turned into a draw.
An again this is with the made up continuation Pfren made. Which is a positional lemon.
Thank You! Somebody else that realizes and understands that opening study can wait. As i post earlier, i made it to USCF A class without any opeing books, or opening study. Opening principles, and pawn structure are what you need to learn and understand.
Also, just my 2 cents but 4.Nc3 is bad
This position has been played before by 2 - 2300+ players In 2008.
After 4.Nc3 Nf6 white continued with 5.Nf3
An the below game is how the game ended up. Turned into a draw.
An again this is with the made up continuation Pfren made. Which is a positional lemon.
The fact that it hasnt been played in 7 years should tell you something.
This game was played in 2010. The player playing the white side in this game is ranked 2202 and he is facing a player who is ranked 2387 on the black side.
The positional lemon player playing the white side manage to win. Unbelieveable!
1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.f4?! is a typical positional lemon after 3...d5, when the best white can hope about is achieving a French Steinitz a tempo down (although he may not be able to do even that).
I suggest forgetting about openings, and focusing in some BASIC opening principles (which are failing your attention).