Early move order in London system

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Bishop_g5
kindaspongey wrote:
Bishop_g5 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

... My belief was that the player might value more explanation about one or the other of those openings, and I acted in accordance with that belief.

 Exactly. Your belief is not objective to what the OP is looking for but to what you understand is better for him to read, ...

I did not refer to a belief about what would be better for the player to read. I referred to my belief about what the player might value.

 So now you try to convist us that a beginner who dont understand pawn structures and strategic plans is capable to value a repertoire book in adition to hes question, which is irrelevant with your suggestions!!

You are giving us hard time here Kindaspogney. Take a time out... 

kindaspongey
jengaias wrote:

... since you mention Averbakh , in his book Comprehensive Chess endings he mentions that a student must study the endgame before everything else just as Capablanca believed.

          Why that quote never plays in your posts?You say you want to inform people.Why you cherrypick quotes then ?

This is what I found (in the beginning of Averbakh's Chess Endings Essential Knowledge):

"... the study of the simplest endings should precede the analysis of the openings and the middlegame."

I have mentioned the quote before.

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:

... If you look closely to what he write it is more than obvious that he will not understand nothing from a repertoire book. ...

I did not specify a repertoire book. I attempted to provide information to enable the player to choose something at an appropriate level. I see no reason to believe that the reader could not learn something from sample games - probably more from sample games in a Starting Out book.

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:

... If you was care about, your list should include only one book and not ten which five are irrelevant with what the OP is looking for to understand. 

First of all, I do not see it as a yes-or-no thing. Books are helpful to varying degrees. I think there is some value in a player making decisions rather than having someone else do the deciding. I tried to provide information to help the player make a reasonable choice. Also, it is not inconceivable that the player would want to buy more than one book - perhaps including a second one for use as a reference for looking up more variations or simply as a source for more games to look at.

Sumiye

Boring

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 write:

... I dont think you understand the meaning of " right " information. ...

I certainly would not want to claim that I understand your concept of "right information".

Bishop_g5
kindaspongey wrote:
Bishop_g5 wrote:

... If you look closely to what he write it is more than obvious that he will not understand nothing from a repertoire book. ...

I did not specify a repertoire book. I attempted to provide information to enable the player to choose something at an appropriate level. I see no reason to believe that the reader could not learn something from sample games - probably more from sample games in a Starting Out book.

 " I did not specify a repertoire book " 

 Accidentally there are five in your list. You are right, you didnt specify a repertoire book, just gave five of them, which is the point of our case.

  

 "  I see no reason to believe that the reader could not learn something from sample games "

 Ofcourse he will learn. He will see piece placement, he will read ideas and plans but that is irrelevant with hes question when in the Colle Whites play Bb2 and Nd2 and why ? If the OP doesnt have the ability to buy both books in Zukertor and Colle and read seperate the concepts, he is lost! Especially reading the repertoire books which are reffering nothing on this.

 The problem is why to give him such an information to read about? To satisfy your belief that you serve the chess.com community or to make something worth value when it doesnt?

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Bishop_g5 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

... My belief was that the player might value more explanation about one or the other of those openings, and I acted in accordance with that belief.

 Exactly. Your belief is not objective to what the OP is looking for but to what you understand is better for him to read, ...

I did not refer to a belief about what would be better for the player to read. I referred to my belief about what the player might value.

 So now you try to convist us that a beginner who dont understand pawn structures and strategic plans is capable to value a repertoire book in adition to hes question, which is irrelevant with your suggestions!!

I did not specify a repertoire book. I attempted to provide information to enable the player to choose something at an appropriate level. I see no reason to believe that the reader could not learn something from sample games - probably more from sample games in a Starting Out book. I do not see relevance as a yes-or-no thing. Books are helpful to varying degrees. I think there is some value in a player making decisions rather than having someone else do the deciding. Also, it is not inconceivable that the player would want to buy more than one book - perhaps including a second one for use as a reference for looking up more variations or simply as a source for more games to look at.

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:

... You are right, you didnt specify a repertoire book, just gave five of them, which is the point of our case. ...

I attempted to provide information to enable the player to choose something at an appropriate level. I think there is some value in a player making decisions rather than having someone else do the deciding. Also, it is not inconceivable that the player would want to buy more than one book - perhaps including a second one for use as a reference for looking up more variations or simply as a source for more games to look at.

Bishop_g5

Kindaspogney Wrote : I attempted to provide information to enable the player to choose something at an appropriate level.

No you didn't. You attempted to give informations about providing a list of books have nothing to do with the OP questions. I am not sure about your motivation but I feel confident you don't understand in any case the inappropriate of your actions. We can safely assume that you find satisfaction for your self to provide these informations for uncertain reasons but with all to respect stop claiming for your self that you PROVIDE help.

You don't.

The OP who creates a post questioning on something , requires a specific answer and not a bibliography. If you want to escort your answer with a book , you must be responsible to identify and include the appropriate one, that match the needs of the OP with out confusing him about what is better to read and why. In any other case you either Trolling , fooling your self , that you help chess.com community or even worst...you MERCHANDISE products.

I hope from now on, you should be more Responsible. Good luck! with the services you freely? provide.

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:

 ...  I see no reason to believe that the reader could not learn something from sample games "

 Ofcourse he will learn. He will see piece placement, he will read ideas and plans but that is irrelevant with hes question when in the Colle Whites play Bb2 and Nd2 and why ? ...

My belief was that the player might value more explanation about one or the other of those openings, and I acted in accordance with that belief.

Bishop_g5

" My belief was that the player might value more explanation about one or the other of those openings, and I acted in accordance with that belief. "

Your belief is not objective in what is appropriate for the OP to read but in what you feel for your self is best to provide as a help. If you ever manage to clarify this , then you might start being helpful.

Sometimes people try to help each other with out know how or because they think that they know!

In which category you belong?

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:

  I see no reason to believe that the reader could not learn something from sample games "

 Ofcourse he will learn. He will see piece placement, he will read ideas and plans but that is irrelevant with hes question when in the Colle Whites play Bb2 and Nd2 and why ? If the OP doesnt have the ability to buy both books in Zukertor and Colle and read seperate the concepts, he is lost! ...

"... '  I see no reason to believe that the reader could not learn something from sample games '

 Ofcourse he will learn. He will see piece placement, he will read ideas and plans ..." - Bishop_g5 (~40 minutes ago)

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote: 

... Especially reading the repertoire books which are reffering nothing on this.

 The problem is why to give him such an information to read about? ...

I did not specify a repertoire book. I attempted to provide information to enable the player to choose something at an appropriate level. I see no reason to believe that the reader could not learn something from sample games - probably more from sample games in a Starting Out book. I do not see relevance as a yes-or-no thing. Books are helpful to varying degrees. I think there is some value in a player making decisions rather than having someone else do the deciding. Also, it is not inconceivable that the player would want to buy more than one book - perhaps including a second one for use as a reference for looking up more variations or simply as a source for more games to look at.

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:

Kindaspogney Wrote : I attempted to provide information to enable the player to choose something at an appropriate level.

No you didn't. ...

See the links that I provided with the books.

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:

... You attempted to give informations about providing a list of books have nothing to do with the OP questions. I am not sure about your motivation ... The OP who creates a post questioning on something , requires a specific answer and not a bibliography. ...

My belief was that the player might value more explanation about one or the other of those openings, and I acted in accordance with that belief.

Bishop_g5

Your belief is not objective in what is appropriate for the OP to read but in what you feel for your self is best to provide as a help. If you ever manage to clarify this , then you might start being helpful.

Sometimes people try to help each other with out know how or because they think that they know!

In which category you belong?

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:

... with all to respect stop claiming for your self that you PROVIDE help. ...

I will not be taking orders from you.

Bishop_g5

That's not an order! It's a delusion of yours.

kindaspongey
Bishop_g5 wrote:

... If you want to escort your answer with a book , you must be responsible to identify and include the appropriate one, that match the needs of the OP with out confusing him about what is better to read and why. ...

I attempted to provide information to enable the player to choose something at an appropriate level. I think there is some value in a player making decisions rather than having someone else do the deciding. Also, it is not inconceivable that the player would want to buy more than one book - perhaps including a second one for use as a reference for looking up more variations or simply as a source for more games to look at.