END your 1.d4/London/closed game/positional woes forever with 1.d4 e5!? 2.dxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6!

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Rook_Handler a écrit :

I have no problems with tactical players playing theoretically dubious but practically powerful weapons like the Englund Gambit. I like to watch them slump as I let them take back the gambited pawn and watch me develop normally, at which point they realize that they don't know how to play a quiet middlegame

The real purpose of the Englund gambit is to avoid d4-types games entirely, at the possible cost of one pawn. If White returns the pawn I'm very happy since I've already gotten what I wanted and pushed White off his rote memorized choreography. Hopefully we've both outside theory and thus start playing chess.

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Colin20G написал:
Rook_Handler a écrit :

I have no problems with tactical players playing theoretically dubious but practically powerful weapons like the Englund Gambit. I like to watch them slump as I let them take back the gambited pawn and watch me develop normally, at which point they realize that they don't know how to play a quiet middlegame

The real purpose of the Englund gambit is to avoid d4-types games entirely, at the possible cost of one pawn. If White returns the pawn I'm very happy since I've already gotten what I wanted and pushed White off his rote memorized choreography. Hopefully we've both outside theory and thus start playing chess.

That is why i play e4, Less ways to throw theory out the window!

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anyone wanna refute

RIGHT NOW? I'm here. If you can't beat me @ +2 points... well.

wing gambits? NOPE! hated both it and my lousy excuse for an opening book, MOST of which wasn't even wing gambit anyways sicilian pamphlet. I like attacking from the center.

if i didn't rousseau, which is what I really want to do on my road to f4/f5 specialization, I'd go to old plan A... 2 knights and fritz.

englund/englund repertoire? HAHAHAHA!

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1983B-Boy написал:

anyone wanna refute

RIGHT NOW? I'm here. If you can't beat me @ +2 points... well.

Dude, Im the type of troll to challenge you and then play e4...

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yeah, that's what I hate about trolls talking doodoo in a convo, then not backing it up. been there wasted that time already. it reflects poorly on you as far as honor and integrity go

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Rook_Handler wrote:

I have no problems with tactical players playing theoretically dubious but practically powerful weapons like the Englund Gambit. I like to watch them slump as I let them take back the gambited pawn and watch me develop normally, at which point they realize that they don't know how to play a quiet middlegame

yeah, I hate positional snaking, you got that right, but some openings minimize all that. better it's in the sidelines than main lines. that's my whole point... less pawn pushing, more piece swinging

taking another look at the elephant. I can't remember why I dismissed it. could be I'm not a fan of elephants

my entire point is after decades of playing white's kind of game BADLY (closed & positional are my natural enemies along with effing pawns, I hate pawns), now I'm making 1.d4 play on my UNSOUND tactical turf. you know, the part where so many players get crushed in theoretically unsound lines badly despite whopping TWO PAWN advantages says something some of you don't want to hear.

rapid piece mobility. if you can't disprove it, then I'm right (stats are agreeing).

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elephant > paulsen gambit has decent stats

I'm way more comfortable with Nc6 blocking than Nf6. that's for sure.
if it's not that complicated and move order mazey, i might test drive it, but I'd have to look at what I need to go with it, I remember looking into halloween & frankenstein dracula
 
watching
and kind of like that it's like a delayed scandinavian. now let's see how explosive its basics are
 
I'm starting to like it less with the very first line and ...Qa5, begging to get chased. I may have started out with Qxd5 scandinavian, but i don't really want to go back
 
not liking the "throw my castle at'cha" pawnstorm, or inviting e file pinning of ANYTHING either
 
after finishing the video, i'm just not feeling it or clicking with its "stonewally" plans. sounds about like why i could have dismissed it before
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1983B-Boy wrote:

elephant > paulsen gambit has decent stats

I'm way more comfortable with Nc6 blocking than Nf6. that's for sure.
if it's not that complicated and move order mazey, i might test drive it, but I'd have to look at what I need to go with it, I remember looking into halloween & frankenstein dracula
 
watching
 
and kind of like that it's like a delayed scandinavian. now let's see how explosive its basics are
 
I'm starting to like it less with the very first line and ...Qa5, begging to get chased. I may have started out with Qxd5 scandinavian, but i don't really want to go back
 
not liking the "throw my castle at'cha" pawnstorm, or inviting e file pinning of ANYTHING either
 
after finishing the video, i'm just not feeling it or clicking with its "stonewally" plans. sounds about like why i could have dismissed it before

If I recall correctly the line is 3… Nf6, sacrificing the second pawn, after which the going gets rough for White.

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Ethan_Brollier wrote:

If I recall correctly the line is 3… Nf6, sacrificing the second pawn, after which the going gets rough for White.

Historically the main line has always been 3...e4, but there was a recent book from quality chess suggesting 3...Bd6 as a alternative.

3...Nf6 is probably the least sound of the three, but also the most aggressive. Jobava has used it a bit, and I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes more popular in the future. Black's idea is to play some sort of Urusov gambit with reversed colours.

It can also be reached via a petroff from 2...Nf6 3.Nxe5 d5.

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GYG wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:

If I recall correctly the line is 3… Nf6, sacrificing the second pawn, after which the going gets rough for White.

Historically the main line has always been 3...e4, but there was a recent book from quality chess suggesting 3...Bd6 as a alternative.

3...Nf6 is probably the least sound of the three, but also the most aggressive. Jobava has used it a bit, and I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes more popular in the future. Black's idea is to play some sort of Urusov gambit with reversed colours.

It can also be reached via a petroff from 2...Nf6 3.Nxe5 d5.

Yeah, 1983 just has this thing where he hates both soundness and his own pawns, so I figured he’d have more fun and success with something more similar to what he’s used to.

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I loved this🥳😊

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just doing homework, looking back at all my games and plugging them into my theory tree when I stumbled on THIS HUGEMUNGOUS upset in a line I was playing. WHOEVER yamabhishek 1391 is, he not only made ayman0101 2195 clock out in a 5 minute blitz, but was HOLDING ADVANTAGE most of the middle & end game!

black was -2.4 on move #12!
 
my 10m game in this sideline went like this:
 
hmmmm.... another win on time, like maybe this opening causes more problems than white can quickly solve, or something... OR completely choke under pressure and double blunder. I instablocked my "castle protector" 2nd to last move because I didn't see the trap, what with all having to concentrate on DEFENDING and all, and was merely repeating the maneuver as played in another game long ago. my opponent threw a tantrum and logged out making me wait for my win
 
 
 
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If the pawns are "so SOUND" then why are they called "QUIET games"?

...and yes, I despise positional concepts because I just don't get them. pawns are the most surefire way to beat me.... GUILTY!

great thing there's OPEN TACTICAL options like THIS that let me use MY SKILLSET instead of getting PTSD raging against pawns TRYING to play "sound" openings and failing miserably.

in my world "sound" (y'all overuse that word when good gambits hold up to 8% advantages 1600-2000!) equals there's ANOTHER ratings sponge where i never get to use tactics and trip over my own shoelaces whilst smothering in a straightjacket. NO THANKS!

you do you, and I'll do me, happy as a pig in a nice CLEAN air conditioned space far from where it needs to go to the bathroom (pigs aren't HAPPY in the muck, they die if they DON'T wallow because they don't have sweat glands) playing this line and kicking so much butt MY WAY. if you can't take the tactics, go home and book the eff up!

you're not getting your quiet little pawn pusher groove on HERE, TODAY

had anyone that knew gambits listened to my pleas to just "get rid of my center pawns gambit" joke and told me about this, i might not have quit playing over a decade ago wallowing in closed/positional "hockey sticks" EVERY cursed black game I played with the toothless marshall scandinavian and marshmallow wall

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1983B-Boy написал:

If the pawns are "so SOUND" then why are they called "QUIET games"?

...and yes, I despise positional concepts because I just don't get them. pawns are the most surefire way to beat me.... GUILTY!

great thing there's OPEN TACTICAL options like THIS that let me use MY SKILLSET instead of getting PTSD raging against pawns TRYING to play "sound" openings and failing miserably.

in my world "sound" (y'all overuse that word when good gambits hold up to 8% advantages 1600-2000!) equals there's ANOTHER ratings sponge where i never get to use tactics and trip over my own shoelaces whilst smothering in a straightjacket. NO THANKS!

you do you, and I'll do me, happy as a pig in a nice CLEAN air conditioned space far from where it needs to go to the bathroom (pigs aren't HAPPY in the muck, they die if they DON'T wallow because they don't have sweat glands) playing this line and kicking so much butt MY WAY. if you can't take the tactics, go home and book the eff up!

you're not getting your quiet little pawn pusher groove on HERE, TODAY

had anyone that knew gambits listened to my pleas to just "get rid of my center pawns gambit" joke and told me about this, i might not have quit playing over a decade ago wallowing in closed/positional "hockey sticks" EVERY cursed black game I played with the toothless marshall scandinavian and marshmallow wall

Sounds like you are quite the Eric rosen!
I dont grasp the concept of positional chess all that well, But i can improve pieces and hereby see no problem in stuff like the ruy lopez... But the stonewall??? Dont come near a 10 mile radius of me if you play the stonewall......

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yes, I hate the toothless stonewall straight jacket! that's my point playing this line, BTW, for me, the simple pawn push is infuriating in the sorry charlie, but when that DOES happen, I need to study it a bit, or just PLAY some chess

it was a mostly infuriating game, a good showcase maybe of why I hate position based problem solving... even when I eventually win a long torturous game like that. 2...c6 looks even MORE annoying after 3.d6! further cramping with no way for 3...Bxd6 to happen any time soon

I am proud to be 82% accurate in this game REGARDLESS. my accuracy is really good in most of my charlick games... hovering around 85%. that's HUGE, and I would argue against gambit haters that THEY're wrong about gambits holding me back, when they set me free to play chess the way I understand it. that my accuracy has nearly doubled proves me right. the only thing to do now, is keep pushing that accuracy up. that's IMPOSSIBLE because there's some positions I can't solve with 20 "you can do better!" tries.

matching openings to skillsets is the only correct way to do it in my world. my opponent here did a very good job of negating ALL of my 0-0-0 plans with 1 simple move and hobbled the daylights out of my mobility, almost like he remembered watching me implode in another bad slav-wall. seems like stauntons are REALLY getting popular lately too

doing some homework.

OK... I have a nice mostly easy to remember transpositional, stonewallish... oh well, system that's very playable even if that locked out bishop on c5 looks like trouble waiting to happen
 
 
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I've been playing nothing but the Staunton for years. It's always been really under-rated. Bad for me if it's getting popular.

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this will be my antidote for the advance variation... VERY simple and transpositional... the same kind of ideas that 2200 cabbie who turned me on to the stonewall when i was winging it with the colle pyramid taught me. i see one line even looks like a reversed colle here, so it's kind of like coming back home there, only I'm a way better player than 20 years ago

1.d4 e5!? 2.d5 Bc5

3.c4 f5!? -0.6 41:57@13k

_____4.Nc3 d6

_____4.e3 d6 [[[[ T1 ]]]]

3.e4 d6 = 41:55@131k 

_____4.Nf3 f5  [[[[ T4 ]]]]

_____4.c4 f5

_____4.Nc3 f5 [[[[ T3 ]]]]

3.e3 f5 = 44:53@3.9k

_____4.c4 Nf6 SEE: 3.c4 f5 4.e3 d6 (T1)

_____4.Nf3 d6 [[[[ T6 ]]]]

_____4.a3 d6

_____4.Nc3 d6 [[[[ T2 ]]]]

3.Nc3 f5 = 41:56@1.4k

_____4.e3 d6 SEE: 3.e3 f5 4.Nc3 d6 (T2)

_____4.e4 d6 SEE: 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 f5 (T3)

_____4.Nf3 d6  [[[[ T5 ]]]]

3.Nf3 d6 = 41:55@15.8K

_____4.e4 f5 SEE: 3.e4 d6 4.Nf3 f5 (T4)

_____4.Bg5 f6

_____4.c4 f5

_____4.Nc3 f5 SEE: 3.Nc3 f5 4.Nf3 d6 (T5)

_____4.e3 f5 SEE: 3.e3 f5 4.Nc3 d6 (T6)

trying to stay ahead of my opponents theoretically and punish them for their mistakes... like advancing the pawn. I hate the positions that this forces, but it's better to play closed SOME of the time in a rare sideline that constantly.

I won't get caught flatfooted by the advance next time. i should have this theory memorized quickly today

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1983B-Boy написал:

this will be my antidote for the advance variation... VERY simple and transpositional... the ideas that 2200 cabbie who turned me on to the stonewall when i was winging it with the colle pyramid

1.d4 e5!? 2.d5 Bc5

3.c4 f5!? -0.6 41:57@13k

_____4.Nc3 d6

_____4.e3 d6 [[[[ T1 ]]]]

3.e4 d6 = 41:55@131k 

_____4.Nf3 f5  [[[[ T4 ]]]]

_____4.c4 f5

_____4.Nc3 f5 [[[[ T3 ]]]]

3.e3 f5 = 44:53@3.9k

_____4.c4 Nf6 SEE: 3.c4 f5 4.e3 d6 (T1)

_____4.Nf3 d6 [[[[ T6 ]]]]

_____4.a3 d6

_____4.Nc3 d6 [[[[ T2 ]]]]

3.Nc3 f5 = 41:56@1.4k

_____4.e3 d6 SEE: 3.e3 f5 4.Nc3 d6 (T2)

_____4.e4 d6 SEE: 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 f5 (T3)

_____4.Nf3 d6  [[[[ T5 ]]]]

3.Nf3 d6 = 41:55@15.8K

_____4.e4 f5 SEE: 3.e4 d6 4.Nf3 f5 (T4)

_____4.Bg5 f6

_____4.c4 f5

_____4.Nc3 f5 SEE: 3.Nc3 f5 4.Nf3 d6 (T5)

_____4.e3 f5 SEE: 3.e3 f5 4.Nc3 d6 (T6)

Maybe its worth to play d5 at this point?
Here is how dynamic and exciting it can be:

And the stonewall is not too great tbh. Masters database says its a... QUESTIONABLE opening...

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What about 1.d6 move order?

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back in the day, I used to score really well with the stonewal, often beating higher rated opponents and crushing ANYONE stupid enough to 0-0-0, but nowadays, everyone plays Nd2 and a lot of other newer lines. that's why I hate playing it... it was never my style to begin with, but easy to play as a 1400.

I won't play 1...d5 because I DESPISE fianchettos and the albin is less sound. I'm loving what i'm playing RIGHT NOW so much I think I found a life partner, even if it catches on and everyone starts playing stronger lines. y'all just have no clue just how much the open e&d files with rapid development and a nice tactical "tool kit" make me ecstatic. I KNEW this line was perfect for me BEFORE i started kicking way above average butt with it. it speaks MY LANGUAGE.