END your 1.d4/London/closed game/positional woes forever with 1.d4 e5!? 2.dxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6!

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AngryPuffer wrote:
 

I think Pfren was recommending something like that but it doesn't seem to be much point. Why would black play Qd7?

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1983B-Boy wrote:

I have searched and searched and searched for EXACTLY this opening for over a decade's worth of despising the stonewall straightjacket. It's called the englund gambit > hartlaub/charlick gambit and it ROCKS!

here's my ONLY chess game today taking my highest rated pelt in it so far in just 9 moves!

the thematic concepts are MOSTLY pretty easy to understand and visualize for a tactician as "yeah... that's TOTALLY logical". I have previously DREAMED of almost exactly this opening. I remember asking for a gambit that gets rid of the central pawns for mobility and initiative and this is EXACTLY that!
 
if you're struggling against 1.d4 and the london, watch this video!!!
 
 

enter the moves into a trainer, learn them, and you're ready to start kicking butt RIGHT OUT THE GATE!

look at those stats vs DECADES experience in the stonewall! My stats are slowly IMPROVING too as I'm getting used to it. I've barely studied it. It's just soooo intuitive. Your results might not be as good as mine if you don't attack like I do, but ANY tactician should be able to find opportunities here. even when opponents confuse me, I'm finding just staying calm and developing and/or pressuring will eventually provide me with a juicy target or trap.

my tactical understanding has led to most of my games having around an 85% accuracy rating. in fact, the longer games go, the higher my accuracy does... even up to 80 moves where I got a 92! I'm guessing it's because stalefish REALLY hates the englund and rates 2...e5!? as a 2 pawn blunder, so it takes moves to dilute that sentiment. it rated that game as just 78% accurate, yet had NO improvements to offer beyond "don't play the englund!"

I'm almost conflicted about sharing it, because the more it catches on, the more white's going to figure out best lines like black has done in the smith morra gambit which used to be SOOOOO easy to play when I was a 1500, before quitting a while, and negate every trap and tactic with GM approved lines

I made one opponent who let me keep developing threats against his queen until I chased it off defending against the classic ...Nxc2+ rook fork, so he decided to try the same thing on my 0-0-0 side and ended up getting his queen trapped to boot. I missed Rg8 at first and pulled it to f8 to protect my king, but once he brought his bishop to join the party, ...Rg8 trapped queen on that file with all escape routes blocked or covered. 11 moves in, he logged out and made me wait for it.

there's some REAL psychological damage there!

I love it. If you want to play 1.e4 as black... this is basically how you do it.

as a FURTHER sign that this defense was MADE FOR ME, I quit play after this game because I was so satisfied that I THOUGHT I was 100% accurate (at least following the video's system) and wanted to mic drop and share here.

so... just for kicks, i decided to use CHESS as today's wordle clue despite wasting a square on a 2nd S and beat that IN TWO! that's a +100 chess game AND a wordle in just 11 moves total!

that's the universe trying to tell me something!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

no, REALLY!

stop over reacting e5 isnt a blunder its a book move

No it's a blunder. tongue.png

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Optimissed wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
 

I think Pfren was recommending something like that but it doesn't seem to be much point. Why would black play Qd7?

any other move just leaves black much worse

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JavaScript781 wrote:
 

i know its a bad opening but its not a blunder.

OK fair enough point of view.

It's like the Budapest Gambit EXCEPT that in the Budapest, black develops a piece which is in the game right away and threatening white's extra pawn, which black wins back albeit with a deterioration of the position and white gets the two bishops against bishop and knight and has the better centre, but white did play the non-developing c4, which is an attacking move that loses its point after white no longer has a d pawn. In the Englund however, black doesn't get the advantage of developing a piece against white's non-developing and arguably weakening move, c4.

Since the Budapest is known to be better for white and dubious for black, that means that logically, the Englund must be worse and so it's "worse than dubious" for black. tear

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AngryPuffer wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
 

I think Pfren was recommending something like that but it doesn't seem to be much point. Why would black play Qd7?

any other move just leaves black much worse

But can't white just more or less force that position by playing Bf4 instead of Bg5, without having to learn to play against all of black's three alternatives? I was thinking that the outright gambit, f6, might be black's best, but I didn't try to analyse it so I may be wrong on that.

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the englund gambit is a gambit that has been refuted

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I play Bf4 which I think is better against that line of the Englund. I got into trouble once with Bg5 and haven't bothered to repeat it because black deviated and knew what he was doing. Can't remember the line. I always win after Bf4, obviously unless white blunders or loses on time. I think Bf4 is superior.

Take a look at this. I just played it.

I didn't know that I'd activated the king rather than the B and so the K went to e7 instead. It was a 5 minute game and I thought of resigning but looked at it and decided that the position is viable and worth playing on .... mainly because it clears the back line and allows black to attack white's k-side more easily.

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I also love this gambit but the knight f3 line or the bishop f5 line is super hard to play for me any tips?

I just discovered it but it’s hard to play against one of those moves

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I also love tactical positions I really like tactics and I spot that way easier and faster than your average 1700 but i suck at positional chess

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vincentvanrijn wrote:

I also love this gambit but the knight f3 line or the bishop f5 line is super hard to play for me any tips?

I just discovered it but it’s hard to play against one of those moves

Nf3 is normal and doesn't set black any problems at all. Bf4 is nearly winning for white against any line so just don't play the Englund. That's provided white knows what to do. Bg5 doesn't cause much difficulty, if black is willing to go into a real gambit line.

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not 99% accurate, but 95% accurate isn't shabby for a smith morra

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beating opponents with an "UNSOUND opening" makes every win that much more delicious, and it's nice to already grasp the basics of an opening before really booking up on it.

as opponents get wise and start playing correct lines, there's still a game to get through, and accepting the gambit is best according to OTB stupid stalefish.

i'm liking that scary looking 2.d5 is actually a fully equalizing mistake. f5/Bc5 is playable

even when and IF I get to the level where the hartlaub charlick loses 5% more than wins, I'll stick with it and still love it the way i do my 5% losing king's gambit games. it's not about the last nth of ratings chasing, but having fun playing a game that helps keep the brain active when I'm getting old and slow.

now if only I could get a nice open line like this against the dreaded "beats everyone" english, I'd be happier. vector gambit looks busted if I remember right and reverse smith morra isn't that at all

fianchettos are NEVER an option

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Optimissed wrote:
vincentvanrijn wrote:

I also love this gambit but the knight f3 line or the bishop f5 line is super hard to play for me any tips?

I just discovered it but it’s hard to play against one of those moves

Nf3 is normal and doesn't set black any problems at all. Bf4 is nearly winning for white against any line so just don't play the Englund. That's provided white knows what to do. Bg5 doesn't cause much difficulty, if black is willing to go into a real gambit line.

well 2.Bf4 is a BLUNDER

and 3% of my games will be THIS challenging...

(10% worse in a SIDELINE inside a 3% likely game... so basically NEGLIBLE fear motivation)

these are 1600-2000 stats.

meanwhile, here's stats for the english in the same ratings range

things look pretty dire for EVERYONE there

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1983B-Boy написал:

beating opponents with an "UNSOUND opening" makes every win that much more delicious, and it's nice to already grasp the basics of an opening before really booking up on it.

as opponents get wise and start playing correct lines, there's still a game to get through, and accepting the gambit is best according to OTB stupid stalefish.

i'm liking that scary looking 2.d5 is actually a fully equalizing mistake. f5/Bc5 is playable

even when and IF I get to the level where the hartlaub charlick loses 5% more than wins, I'll stick with it and still love it the way i do my 5% losing king's gambit games. it's not about the last nth of ratings chasing, but having fun playing a game that helps keep the brain active when I'm getting old and slow.

now if only I could get a nice open line like this against the dreaded "beats everyone" english, I'd be happier. vector gambit looks busted if I remember right and reverse smith morra isn't that at all

fianchettos are NEVER an option

Cool but do you have a defense against the english?

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slav-wall and I hate it

I might still own that densely packed with theory english book I bought to try and find a gambit in in storage along with nunn's chess openings and probably a few line specific books too

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1983B-Boy написал:

slav-wall and I hate it

Why do you hate the english? Because you cant gambit away material in it and white is 99% safe?

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pawn pushing trench weasel? yeah, I hate that. so does everyone else that has losing stats I'm sure. looking into the new to me "Adhiban Gambit" which is supposed to be position based. if that's the case, I hope it's a simple "same moves every game" system like stonewalling is more or less

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 e4 4. Ng5 c6 5. Ngxe4 Nxe4 6. Nxe4 about equalizes over the board, but I'm not liking that white has the lead in development. the carokann system looks better

1. c4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. cxd5 cxd5

looks way more promising to me than slav-walling

building a book, it looks like a move order nightmare and might be unplayable for it

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1983B-Boy написал:

pawn pushing trench weasel? yeah, I hate that. so does everyone else that has losing stats I'm sure. looking into the new to me "Adhiban Gambit" which is supposed to be position based. if that's the case, I hope it's a simple "same moves every game" system like stonewalling is more or less

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 e4 4. Ng5 c6 5. Ngxe4 Nxe4 6. Nxe4 about equalizes over the board, but I'm not liking that white has the lead in development. the carokann system looks better

1. c4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. cxd5 cxd5

looks way more promising to me than slav-walling

Actually Nf3 is what is played

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Not Nc3.

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right. the theory might not be as scary as I first thought as once I got down to the sidelines, a lot of it transposes back up to main lines.