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ponz111

What to do in this situation: You recently bought a book--it is a repertoire for either Black or White for one certain opening. It is a very nicely written book and you know the author spent years preparing for this book. The author has picked out several lines to play for either Black or White. However you found a flaw in his analysis in the most important main line that he is advocating. The flaw [and your new improvement] would be enough to possibly destroy his book. Do you keep quiet or do you "show" the improvement?

I am very much leaning towards "keeping quiet". I do not want to destroy his work and I am pretty sure nobody will notice and there are some very good points in the book.

[I am considering coming out with my point some time in the future] What do you think?

UVF02368

That is a risk with writing a chess book.  Let's hear it!

ponz111
UVF02368 wrote:

That is a risk with writing a chess book. Let's hear it!


Not at all ready to do this. Thank you for your opinion. But hope to get more opinions.

ponz111

Here is a related problem--which happened to me twice. I wrote a book on a chess opening. Somebody posted on an Amazon review that he really liked the book but he found a flaw in my analysis of a not very important variation and thus he gives the book a 4 star rating instead of 5. However his analysis is wrong. What to do in this situation?

Arctor

If it was me, I would contact the author and show him his error, leaving him to decide what to do about it. If he goes public then he'll be applauded for his honesty (and who knows...maybe the book is salvageable). If he keeps quiet then it will only hurt his reputation in the end. If the error is big enough to destroy his book it certainly won't go unnoticed forever.

As for the amazon reviews, you could leave a comment on the review explaining why their analysis is wrong. Anyone who is swayed enough by amazon reviews to not buy your book would surely read the comments as well.

Caliphigia

If you have found the flaw, someone else, and probably a stronger player than you, will also find it. If you don't play it, someone will. So, the book is doomed in any case. If you don't play it you deprive yourself of points you could gain with your idea, and also of fame - your name would enter theory books and the whole variation might even  be named after you.

Play it, Sam.

1pawndown

The polite course would be to contact the author and disclose your finding. There is nothing ethically or morally wrong in stating what you have found in any forum.

NimzoRoy
1pawndown wrote:

The polite course would be to contact the author and disclose your finding. There is nothing ethically or morally wrong in stating what you have found in any forum.


Second the motion, and of course you should play your refutation ASAP OTB!

ivandh

What if Newton didn't publish his work, because he didn't want to upstage Kepler?

ponz111

Very good replies! I have an emotional understanding of how the author would feel if his work and book were refuted. This is because I have written books on the openings myself. But on the other hand, I can see the need to get my idea out to the public. Right now I have the idea and have checked it out some but will need a couple of hours to check it out completely. I am 98% sure right now.

Question should I contact author or just give my refutation right here?

Next question and this is regarding the Amazon review--I was thinking author not allowed to comment on his own work?

ponz111

Ok, you all have convinced me of the appropriate action. Right now I am trying to get into touch with the Author, Timothy Taylor, who wrote the recent book Alekhine Alert! Have emailed a friend of his. If anyone knows how I can get directly in touch with Mr. Timothy Taylor--please let me know.

There is some very good information in his book. For example he gives good information on how to battle against the "Chase Variation" and the "Four Pawns Attack" He also believes that the "Exchange Variation" is nothing to be afraid of.[1. 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. c4 Nb6 5. exd6 and now Black can play 5. ... exd6 --but he should not play cxd6.

His main line is to avoid some of the best play vs the Alekhine with this move sequence: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 and now his key move

4. ... dxe5. This is the move I wish to "refute" This line is given in the Alekhine books I have seen. [continued in next posting--I hope some wonderful reader will be able to put what is in this posting on a board with pieces moving for me]

Quasimorphy

You might want to inquire about this over at the chesspub.com forums.  Those guys over there seem to go over every book with a fine-toothed comb.  It's possible someone may have already looked into that line.

ponz111

After his main line: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 d5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5

White has two moves: 5. Nxe5 is by far the most played move and Mr Timothy Taylor has some good analysis on this continuation. He also analyzes 5. dxe5 and here I find improvement for White--actually the improvement could really knock down the viability of the whole 4. Nf3 dxe5 line!?

Here we go: 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. dxe5 [! Dave Taylor] [no relation to Timothy Taylor] and now the main line as given by Timothy Taylor is: 5. ... Bg4 [he says this is the "only move" nothing else is good for Black]

Now 6. h3 Bxf3 --here he gives reasons why 6. ...Bh5 is bad for Black

and now: 7. Qxf3 e6 and here he says this position represents best play by both sides. and now:

8. Qg3 the author gives other alternatives which are not good for White. So

he now gives this alternative as best to this stage of this opening variation.

We continue: 8. ... Nd7 [he explains why 8. ... Nc6 9. Bb5 is good for White

and now: 9. Be2 c6 10. Na3 his sugested line...

However here White should play 10. Nbd2 and here White has a rather strong opening advantage. continued

ponz111

OK Here is main line: [forgive my typing just had left shoulder replaced]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. dxe5 [!] Bg4 6. h3 Bxf3

7. Qxf3 e6 8. Qg3[!] Nd7 9. Be2 c6 10. Nd2 [this is my new move vs his 10. Na3]

Here is one follow up: 10. Nd2 Nb4 11. Bd1 Qa5 12. a3 Nh6 13. f4 0-0-0

14. c3! Nb6 15. 0-0 Nd5 16. Kh2 Qb6 17. Nc4 Qc7 And White is quite a bit better.

ponz111

Here is another follow up: 9. Be2 c6 10. Nd2 and now:

10. ... h6 11. Nc4 b5 12. Ne3 Nxe3+ 13. Bxe3 Qa5+ 14. c3 b4

15. 0-0 bxc3 16. bxc3 Qxe5 17. Qxe5 Nxe5 18. Rab1 White is apparently winning.

ponz111
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zirtoc

Using your variation, I had Chessmaster play itself to see what it would come up with.  I was hoping for a strong game, but it appeared to me that black made some questionable moves.  Time control was set to 40 seconds for both sides, perhaps not enough time to get a good game.  Anyway, this is what it played.


  10. Nd2            Nb4          
  11. Bd1            Qa5          
  12. a3             Na6          
  13. f4             f6           
  14. O-O            fxe5         
  15. Nb3            Qd5          
  16. Be3            exf4         
  17. Bxf4           O-O-O        
  18. Bf3            Qc4          
 19. Rf2            Nac5         
 20. Na5            Qd4          
 21. c3             Qf6          
 22. Bc7            Nd3          
 23. Bxd8           Qxd8         
 24. Rd2            N3e5         
 25. b4             Be7          
 26. Bg4            Bh4          
 27. Qe3            Qb6          
 28. Qxb6           axb6         
 29. Nb3            Nxg4         
 30. hxg4           Nf6          
 31. Re2            Nxg4         
 32. Rxe6           Bf2+         
 33. Kf1            Bg3          
 34. Re4            h5           
 35. Ke2            Nf6          
 36. Re3            h4           
 37. c4             Nh5          
 38. Nd4            Bf4          
 39. Rf3            Be5          
 40. Rd1            Nf4+         
 41. Kf1            Rd8          
 42. Re1            Rxd4         
 43. Rxe5           Rxc4         
 44. Rg5            Ne6          
 45. Rg6            Re4          
 46. Rf7            Kd8          
 47. Kf2            b5           
 48. Kf3            Re1          
 49. Rxb7           Ke8          
 50. Rg4            g5           
 51. Re4            Rxe4         
 52. Kxe4           Kd8          
 53. Ke5            Kc8          
 54. Rf7            Nf4          
 55. Kd6            Nxg2         
 56. Kxc6           Kd8          
 57. Rg7            Ne3          
 58. Rxg5           Nc2          
 59. Kxb5           Nxa3+        
 60. Kc5            Ke7          
 61. Rg4            h3           
 62. Rh4            h2           
 63. Rxh2           Ke6          
 64. Rh3            Nb1          
 65. Rd3            Kf5          
 66. b5             Ke4          
 67. Kc4            Ke5          
 68. b6             Na3+         
 69. Rxa3           Kf6          
 70. b7             Ke5          
 71. b8=Q+          Kf6          
 72. Ra5            Kg7          
 73. Ra6            Kh7          
 74. Qc7+           Kg8          
 75. Ra8#            1-0

Chessmaster prefers Nd2 to Na3, also.

ponz111

Thanks, zirtok, for printing that computer game! Here are my comments re that game: if 11. a3 Nxe4 12. axb4 Qxa1 13. Nb3 Qa4 14. Qxe5 Qxb4+ 15. Bd2 Whie has better game. In the game as played, I would suggest 16. Bf3 Qc4 17. fxe4 Qxc2 18. Bg5 Bc5+ 19. Nxc5 Qxc5+ 20. Kh2 and now White seems to get a big

advantage after either 20. ... 0-0 or 20. ....Qxe5

Thaddeus_Samson

seanki

Yes You should contact the author, politly complain and point out, but also not tell publicly if you want- that is what I would do first Wink