Fellow caro-kann players... HELP!!!

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najdorf96

Apologies if I offended anyone here.

PromisingPawns

Why would you offend anyone lol. I was just joking lol. I didn't call najdorf rubbish.

PromisingPawns

But I don't believe that it takes special skills to play the caro kann. It's just like any other opening. Patience might be the only thing that's needed.

najdorf96

indeed. Cool. Yeah, I just wanted to point that out because the Caro's not for anybody with an aggressive mindset, especially on defense; which in itself, you (as Black) have to develop a different philosophy: Equalize first, then fish for something. On the other hand, someone who plays too passively generally do okay, but suffers the serious drawback of shrinking in the critical moments of adversity when you do need to play with abit more resolve.

najdorf96

(of course, patience on defense is always good virtue to have) 👍🏼

chessterd5

in the original diagram, I believe 6.e6,f6 is also playable. it would continue along the same lines with Qd6 eventually picking up whites e pawn with out having to exchange blacks f pawn.

najdorf96

indeed. Agreed, you don't need special skills but you do need to have an aptitude for positional themes, a proclivity for endgame play~in other words, to grind. You could say, some players strive by tactical or combinational means to a positional end; others play positionally using tactical & combinational means at various points, but ultimately (to my mind) the latter is the style most suited.

najdorf96

Great examples and exponents of this would be GMs Capablanca, Botvinnik, Karpov, Seirawan. Worth studying their CK games first, then moving on to your guy's contemporaries.

Lent_Barsen

I'm surprised no one mentioned 4...Bd7 as a simple way to deal with the Bayonet Attack.

Yes, Black gives up on the idea of playing the light squared bishop outside the pawn chain, but that's hardly a tragedy, and it's far from clear White having the pawn at g4 is actually a good thing for him.

najdorf96

indeed @Lent_Barsen heh I was going to, but you beat me to it. Good on you 👏🏼. Hangingpawns on his YouTube channel covers this line (as his prep) and how the game developed in real-time. His take in general is a great insight on how to play "simple" chess.

Bramblyspam

I used to play 3... Bf5 vs the Caro advance. I switched to 3... c5 mainly because I find the pawn structures much more interesting. After Bf5, the Short variation can lead to symmetrical pawn structures with no good pawn breaks, and that can make it hard to play for a win.
If you want to stick with 3... Bf5, then 4. g4 really isn't anything special to be afraid of. Black is fine in the 7... Qd6 line, as recommended by Schandorff in his books.
If you want to explore the Caro-Kann, consider joining the Caro-Kann Cutthroats. We play vote chess with 1. e4 c6 as the starting position, and we have excellent discussions in our games.

najdorf96

As it is, a line from Ye Olde (but faithful) NCO nonetheless ~circa 1999 Caro-Kann: Advance Variation pg 145 #2/n9-4 g4 as follows~4. ... Bd7 5. c4 h5 6. gh5 Bf5 7. Nc3 e6 8. Nge2 Bg4 9. Qb3 Qb6 with mutual chances (analysis by GM Gallagher)