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Fianchetto Benoni question...

  • #1

    So I've switched to a 1.d4 Catalan repertoire but the problem with the move order 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3.g3 seems to be the move 3...c5. I can't find a way to deal with it without feeling that I'm worse as white.

    I know how to play against the Benoni if its played right away on move 1 or 2 (I dont play the Fianchetto variation then) but this line is annoying me

    4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 b5!? 6. Bg2 d6 and so on....

    It seems like Black has gotten in b5 for free and I prefer his position. Normally, the Benoni is very cramped but here Black seems to be very comfortable with ...b5 in already.

    Is there some way around this or is it just one of those things I will have to accept as a Catalan player. I suppose I could start with 3.Nf3 but the main point behind 3.g3 was to avoid QID lines.

  • #2

    Yea thats the variation

  • #3

    If you don't want to give black so many options, pick a less pathetic opening.

  • #4

    I love this "if the top players play it then I can/must/will play it" nonsense.

  • #5

    Top players who use it use it to bore their opponents, like Anand Vs Topalov. 

    It is pathetic in the sense that black has many options, and he is going to do everything he can to prevent your boring style of play from succeeding. 

    I love this, low level chess players who think they can understand the subtleties of superGM openings and then complain that they can't!

  • #6

    Rainbowrising, I understand that there is quite alot of sand in there, so I recommend you start straight away. Spend atleast 2 hours in the shower, trying to get all that sand out of your vagina.

  • #7

    5...b5 has been "refuted" by Kramnik's line, and then resurrected again (by 9...Na6, which is the only move, it does look suspect, but so far is scoring well). I won't be surprised if Black is in a bad shape after 9...Na6, though.

  • #8

    Ummm, it goes 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 c5 4.d5 ed5 5.ed5 b5 6.e4 Nxe4 7.Qe2 Qe7 8.Bg2.

    Now 8...f5 fails to 9.Nh3 b4 (or 9...Ba6 first) 10.0-0! Ba6 11.Qc2 Bxf1 12.Kxf1, and Black, being pawn and exchange up, is completely lost. So, Black has to play 8...Nd6 9.Be3 Na6! (after 9...Bb7 or 9...b4 Black is simply suffering) 10.Nc3 b4 11.Na4 Bb7! which is very messy, but currently is considered about equal.

    The regular 3.g3 benoni is OK for Black, despite Avrukh's claims. You can find very good analysis in Palliser's recent benoni book.

  • #9

    Wow what a crazy line! Seems fun to play though...

  • #10

    I don't know what sort of game you want but I like 4.Nf3 because of the dynamic positions you can get.

    The symmetrical English was all kinds of fun when I played stuff like this. Unfortunately Black only wanted maroczy binds over and over and over and over.....
  • #11
    ciljettu wrote:

    The Catalan is indeed a very decent opening and particularly handy for the older club player. Just because it is not cutting edge theory does not mean it is unsound.

    I don't think any opening that requires the queen to go to e3 is good for club players LOL.

  • #12
    AnthonyCG wrote:

    I don't know what sort of game you want but I like 4.Nf3 because of the dynamic positions you can get.

    I have played this stuff as white quite a bit, but IMHO Black is just fine in the variation 4.Nf3 cd4 5.Nxd4 Qc7 6.Nc3 a6. White either has to play very artificially, or sacrifice the c4 pawn, when he does have some compensation, but Black is extremely solid. I'd rather play this position as Black now.

  • #13

    White has many options in each Sicilian because he is white! The main advantage of the first move is that you restrict your opponents options; therefore black should be feeling limited in his choice of moves (else he loses a pawn, concedes too much space, ends up with a bad piece etc.) and any opening where black doesn't feel this pressure has only let black equalise. Such an example is the line given by the OP.

  • #14
    BIindside wrote:

    you have a point, although It's barely fair to call the opening pathetic based on a line that is not all that common.

    It most other Catalan lines white does gain a concession, usually in the form of strong pressure, or a cramped position for black. 

    Fair point. But I still feel the level of sophistication required to play it well is far beyond that of the OP. In my experience, club level players play it to hide their lack of tactical skills.

  • #15

    Just because Black has so many options doesn't necessarily mean he has equalized though. IMO, the Catalan exposes you to many different types of positions, which is good. Its may not be as crazy tactical as the KG but its a good balance.Tactics are known to arise from good positions.

    This fianchetto Benoni line is quite tactical as shown by Pfren's lines.

    The Catalan is definately not something like the London System. Now that isn't particularly very tactical at all....

  • #16

    London System is worse, but Catalan is only a step above.

  • #17
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