French 2...g5!? or ?!

BirdBrain

Whatever you want to call it, if you are looking for something different for blitz, or just to have some fun...

I was playing my chess computer one day and was looking for something interesting to play against it, and this move came across my mind...

At first glance, it looks kind of awful.  But it is fun, and has provided me with a few interesting games.  I got the idea a few years ago, but am just now really trying it (call me a chicken!).  Anyway, I wanted to post a live game I had with the Black pieces.  Not a piece of art by any means, but I think my handling of the opening was interesting, to say the least. 

Anyone ever test these waters before?
KillaBeez

Sounds like a good plan unless he castles queenside.  Then your kingside pawns are just a liability and open up space against your king.

FightingChess

I would love to play against 2...g5 in french! But it's a good thing to try out new ideas. Keep up the good work!

DrSpudnik

...g5 is a standard tool in the French Defense tool box, but I have never seen it on move 2. Hmmm Undecided interesting

blobby12

Looks interesting but maybe white could try something like this. My conclusion is that I'm not sure if it's bad for black but black should still have a pretty normal french with an over extened pawn that may become useful.

BirdBrain

So far, I have been playing a bit different, with the ...d6 pawn center instead of the immediate ...d5.  This really isn't a "French Defense" except for 1. e4 e6.  But it is a surprise factor, and fun, if you are up for something interesting.  So far, I have done well with it, which even surprises me!'

Killa, I still know little about this opening, so I am not even far enough into it to see the queenside effects so far.  I do have one correspondence game going on, and I did play the ...e6-d6 pawn center, and in the opening also played ...Kd8!? to defend my c7 pawn from an early Nb5.  But my king does have some breathing room, and I am now into a ...d6-e5 center (how does a French Defense do that?!?)...

My initial inspiration for this idea was to cook up something in the Dutch vein (not the ...f5, but the early kingside pressure) against 1. e4.  I'll try it a few more times, and when I get a better idea of it, I will post another game.  

Please, if anyone tries this and finds something interesting, please post your game - I would love to see it!

FightingChess
Played this just now. Didn't like my position  but with a good result. Still not a fan and I won't be repeating the variation!
BirdBrain

I do agree about 2...g5 being terrible against 2. d4.  I have been playing the ...Nc6 French in that case, with good results, maybe better than if I played the ...c5 approach, since it offers cool kingside play.  

Still working on a repertoire against 1. e4.  Always on the hunt, and so far, I am here:

Conzipe, I agree with you on 2. d4 g5.  But what about 2. Nf3 g5?  What is your take on it?  I don't like the pesky b4 lines that many 2. Nf3 players try against the French.  Maybe one day it won't bother me, but right now, I don't like it. 
BirdBrain

FightingChess, I agree that 2...g5 is not the trick against 2. d4.  Maybe see what you think against 2. Nf3, that is my line in question.  Nevertheless, congrats on your win.

BirdBrain
Fezzik wrote:

I have noticed one problem with 2...g5: After 3.h3 Bg7 4.Nc3 Black will have to invest another tempo on h6 before he can develop his N or else he will just lose the pawn.


Agreed - that is part of the territory.  So far, I would also be aiming to develop the knight to e7, instead of f6. 

FightingChess

Added the game in the comment above

BirdBrain

I really like the ...Nc6 approach against d4 setups when I am playing the French Defense.  Here is a miniature I played in live chess just a minute ago:

BirdBrain

Unfortunately, I had to resign this game - had something important come up in the middle of the game.  It was unrated, however.  Take the mistakes and all - but my end position I was happy with when I had to resign:

Any ideas on anything here?
BirdBrain

Here was one where my opponent played an early h3 against my pawn structure on the kingside.  I came out of the opening with a decent position and material balanced.

blobby12

white can play 3.h3

BirdBrain

That was discussed earlier by Fezzik.  I don't think that necessarily would deter me from trying the variation, however.  

blobby12
BirdBrain

Dan, I did a Borg Defense tourney a while back, and I used Kiltti's pawn setup of ...g5, ...e6 and ...c5.  It does appear to have holes in the setup, with all the gaps that Black creates.  Later, I was on the White side of a Grob, and decided for a more reserved approach with 2. e3, and then a later d3.  The play was definitely interesting - cannot remember the result right now.  But I do see the idea is interesting.  

It is interesting to note that you found ideas of g5 against 2. d4.  My main focus was against 2. Nf3, but I guess some will push ...g5 no matter what!  

I was recalling an article I read probably 1-2 years ago about an English Opening position, and White's first four moves were like this:

If anyone knows of this setup, where it can be found on the Internet, please post.  It is a reversed setup of the idea I am talking about - White is pushing the g-pawn to fight for space on the kingside, and ultimately for more control of d5.  

chessmaster102

CONGRAGULATIONS YOURE LITTERLY THE ONLY PERSON TO PLAY THAT VARIATION AGAINST Nf3 OF THE FRENCH AND IM NOT JOKEING!!!!! IT'S TOTALLY ORIGINAL SO WHAT WILL YOU NAME YOUR NEW FOUND VARIATION.

chessmaster102

didn't see the games the other guy posted Embarassed but your still the first to go world-wide public with it so it is still yours. I checked chesslab 365chess and a few other databases your original all rightSmile