This was years ago - the first time I ever ventured the line. Sorry, I do not have it.
French 2...g5!? or ?!
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A 13-move game I won in live chess - I think I like the piece placement for Black here:
Jun 15, 2011
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Nice game... but when do we get to see you play 2... g5 in the Dutch? Lol...
Jun 15, 2011
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@ Move 3: why didn't white take the g pawn with the bishop?
Also, White should have put more emphasis on the h-pawn. A pawn on the 6th rank (well defended) is as good as a minor piece. A pawn on the 7th rank (well defended) is worth a rook. I experienced this firsthand. An uncastled king vs. a rook and two adjacent pawns: on the 7th rank and 6th rank. Not pretty, even when you're ahead in material. I was close to losing several times.
You cannot take the pawn with the bishop - the d-pawn has not been pushed.
Mezmer - I might play it sometimes as a surprise weapon on your birthday - then you can say you laid some smack down on me!
http://www.chess.com/tournament/french-defense---pinson-variation
If anyone is interested in exploring the variation, please join here!
It'd be fun to try in blitz, but I almost never see 2.Nf3 from white...
I tried chessmaster's suggestion of delaying ...g5 and instead playing 2...d6. I got an interesting game out of this idea. Of course, if you don't see 2. Nf3, you still also have 2...d5!
I just faced Ng5 - here is the game. It is a piece sac:
I appreciate your support Conzipe, would have been nice to see someone as high as you in there!
Well, technically it might be called a Borg then, if you like. If you want to classify it under that, it could be called Borg Defense - Pinson Variation, with 2...g5.
http://www.chess.com/games/view.html?id=1325426
I found a very interesting game by Buecker where he plays basically the same pawn and piece placement as I did, except he does not push to g4 early.
echecs, maybe you could give us some ideas for the White side for discussion.
Conzipe wrote:
too bad I can't join the tournament with my high "time-out ratio" ^^
same =(
Guys, I adjusted the timeout ratio for you both. I want to see people in the tourney who want to be in it...please join!
The rook fork on move 33. wasn't forced,essentially you could of stopped it.For example with Kd8.A nice game still though.Also what was the rating of the guy you faced.
Probably mid 1300s. I know I walked into a fork - I played quick and missed the idea :-) But I am not posting as much to claim my games are perfect, but to show the flaws and fun all in all. If anything, you may decide you hate it, or you may be interested in the White side and come up with some awesome stuff for White (like Fezzik and Conzipe did before). Or, you may find interest in the Black side and work on some stuff with me.
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1308194168/0#9
I opened the idea up for discussion on ChessPub - a lot of the discussion is not giving it much attention, but Stefan Buecker, one of the writers for Kaissiber, did say that the idea was interesting. He did post a game on playchess, a win for Black, back in 2001 that featured the 2...g5. If you are interested in reading the discussion, check it out!
Conzipe wrote:
BirdBrain wrote:
Conzipe, I agree with you on 2. d4 g5. But what about 2. Nf3 g5? What is your take on it?
Conzipe, I agree with you on 2. d4 g5. But what about 2. Nf3 g5? What is your take on it?
Of course after 2. Nf3 the move g7-g5 makes a little more sense since it's trying to embarrass whites knight on f3 however it's very hard to believe that such a weakening move could be good for black.
After 2...g5 white could ignore black playing g5-g4 by doing the move 3. d4 or stop black from doing this by playing 3. h3 and in both cases I think white should end up with a serious advantage because of blacks weakening g5 move.
In the diagram I lined up some of the dangers of playing this variation. Hopefully you will find some good way around these problems, and make the idea look more playable, best of luck with you're new variation! ^^
Conzipe, having played the 2...g5 a bit more now, I was looking at your idea involving Ne5, not 3. h3. But there is a delayed h3, and I have tried g3!? a couple of times here. The idea is to open lines on the kingside, as well as work to damage their kingside at the same time. I just posted a 46-move win for Black playing g3!? against a delayed h3 after my opponent played Ng1!? instead of the more normal Ne5.
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=180843434
I got a draw against my chess computer with this line one time. But I think the approach is important, to not be so eager to play ...d5 immediately.
Can you post this game.