French Advance for white

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dashkee94

The advance is an OK way for white to play, but those who know the French know that it isn't the most trying variation out there (3.Nc3 is).

For a game in the a3 line:



ThrillerFan
chesshole wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

Uhm, yes, the exchange variation is utter cr*p.

Just check out the online database at www.newinchess.com.  FR 1.4 thru FR 1.6.  Take any line where Black doesn't play Bb4, and White is scoring a mere 45%.  Against Bb4, he scores 52%.

Those numbers equate to "utter cr*p" in my book when you are talking White.  If Black scores that, fine, that's normal.

Does this database factor in inaccuracies or blunders in the middlegame or endgame or even in the later opening?  Database use is meta-analysis and not real analysis.  It is not an actual evaluation of a position.  Real analysis is done over the board by masters and they use individual games by masters as examples with maybe a bit of computer analysis.  Exchange French isn't utter crap, it's just drawish and not very ambitious as white.  It aims to keep the position simple and get into the middlegame.  

Openings are overrated anyway.  Look at how Carlsen can dominate the game without being the best opening player.

Chesshole, the New In Chess database specifically has the policy of only including upscale games, hence why it's only 1.7 Million in size and not 5 or 6 million like ChessBase databases are.

And yes, even if it scored exactly 50%, based on your comment of being drawish an unambitious, that's still "utter cr*p".  White has no business scoring at or below 50% when 1.e4 as a whole scores 54% for White and 1.d4 scores 56% for White.

You give me White, I want my advantage.  You give me Black, I'm more than happy to settle for sterile, dull, boring, drawish equality.  You've just completely eliminated my disadvantage for going second!

chesshole
ThrillerFan wrote:
chesshole wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

Uhm, yes, the exchange variation is utter cr*p.

Just check out the online database at www.newinchess.com.  FR 1.4 thru FR 1.6.  Take any line where Black doesn't play Bb4, and White is scoring a mere 45%.  Against Bb4, he scores 52%.

Those numbers equate to "utter cr*p" in my book when you are talking White.  If Black scores that, fine, that's normal.

Does this database factor in inaccuracies or blunders in the middlegame or endgame or even in the later opening?  Database use is meta-analysis and not real analysis.  It is not an actual evaluation of a position.  Real analysis is done over the board by masters and they use individual games by masters as examples with maybe a bit of computer analysis.  Exchange French isn't utter crap, it's just drawish and not very ambitious as white.  It aims to keep the position simple and get into the middlegame.  

Openings are overrated anyway.  Look at how Carlsen can dominate the game without being the best opening player.

Chesshole, the New In Chess database specifically has the policy of only including upscale games, hence why it's only 1.7 Million in size and not 5 or 6 million like ChessBase databases are.

And yes, even if it scored exactly 50%, based on your comment of being drawish an unambitious, that's still "utter cr*p".  White has no business scoring at or below 50% when 1.e4 as a whole scores 54% for White and 1.d4 scores 56% for White.

You give me White, I want my advantage.  You give me Black, I'm more than happy to settle for sterile, dull, boring, drawish equality.  You've just completely eliminated my disadvantage for going second!

 i guess we just look at things differently

dashkee94

The Exchange French cedes equality on the third move--if white is playing for the win, this isn't the way to go about it.  There are much better lines for white than that.  And the Advance isn't a bad line for some one who is beginning to learn the French, and it will work against players who don't really know how to play the black side of it, but the higher you go, the more you realize that Nc3 is the move.

En_Croissant

roi_g11 wrote:

En_Croissant wrote:

Having spent about a year now on my own studying tactics and endgames, I have decided to start trying to learn a few openings. I really admire the likes of Tal and Fischer and other aggressive players and want to play a similar style game. I found an article on aggressive openings for white. A lot of them make sense, but one that had confused me is playing the advance against the French defense. The article claims it's not the best choice for the French if the opponent really knows what they are doing, but that it is still sound and presents many opportunities for attacking the black king. After studying it a bit, however, I've noticed that in almost all of the lines, white is not attacking but trying to defend his d4 e5 pawn chain. Is there something I am missing about why this variation is good for aggressive play, or am I right and the article is just misleading?

If you have only been studying tactics and endgames for one year, I would not recommend you get too much into any particular opening.  Just find a complete repertoire book for white and for black, and stick with the author's recommendations.  Make sure you understand the basic plans, key elements of the pawn structures, and some basic traps (against the french, the korchnoi gambit is a lot of fun), but don't spend much time on finding the perfect opening or reply against a specific line...it is a deep rabbit hole!  Just pick a repertoire and stick with it as long as it works for you.

Like I said, I have started studying a rep from an article, not just trying to find the best responses. I just wanted something aggressive and advance french just seemed defensive to me. The other openings listed to learn were advance Caro-kann (presumably because it can achieve a similar position to the advance french), Vienna game(particularly the f4 line), GPA, 150 against pirc or modern, and the main lines for alekhine, nimzo and Scandinavian. And as black, the nf6 Scandinavian and the Leningrad Dutch.

Melbourne_Chess_Club

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzFBIbiwAOM&list=TLo1ax1XZ_ASg