I've played the Staunton Gambit a few times, and usually won. You can find annotations to one of these victories at http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2012/07/staunton-gambit-vs-dutch-defense.html
Gambit vs. Dutch Defense
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Aug 11, 2013
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#4
Savage wrote:
It's harmless against good play.
LOL, my entire game is harmless against good play. Over a reasonable amount of time though, playing OTB I have discovered that I enjoy playing gambits.
More or less I just want to throw an opponent that plays the Dutch a curveball. Myself and everyone I usually play at the club is U1600 USCF.
Aug 11, 2013
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#5
Savage wrote:
If you want to "throw a curveball" you'd probably be better off with 2.Bg5, which is somewhat awkward for Black to meet. There are also lines with an early h3 and g4 which - if Black is unprepared for them - are much more dangerous than the Staunton.
That 2.Bg5 line is also reccommended in my BDG keybook. "Pinning the imaginary knight on f6" as a sort of anti-dutch. I could even imagine someone playing 1.d4 f5 2. Bg5 h6 3. Bh4 g5 4.e3!
Aug 11, 2013
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#6
Savage,
Is this what you are talking about, re: h3/g4 idea?
http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/A80_Dutch_Defense_Korchnoi_Attack
Aug 11, 2013
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#7
Or is this what you are talking about?
http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/A80_Dutch_Defense_Krejcik_Gambit
Aug 11, 2013
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#8
The Krejcik Gambit looks very appealing. Not alot of thoery on that one, I like it.
Instead of the staunton gambit (which I used to play), I now believe in 2. Nc3!? against the dutch. The idea is to quickly play e4 with a similar position to the e6 line.
Savage wrote:
If you want to "throw a curveball" you'd probably be better off with 2.Bg5, which is somewhat awkward for Black to meet. There are also lines with an early h3 and g4 which - if Black is unprepared for them - are much more dangerous than the Staunton.
True.The Staunton Gambit is the least worrying of all Gambits against the Dutch.The h3,g4 lines are pretty dangerous though.Black has to know his stuff to survive.Black equalises with correct play but white is fine in all lines.
Dutch defence is really not a good opening for black in comparison to others such as Sicilian or Italian opening.
Your opening gambit is fine black will be on the back foot constantly to attempt to equalise. :)
Black can probably equalize against the Staunton, although his task is certainly not easy.
Which variation do you suggest as good for Black after 1.d4 f5 2.e4 fe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5? To my poor knowledge 4...Nc6 is best, but still not easy.
Aug 12, 2013
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#13
I like the Staunton and use it exclusively against the Dutch. There's a nice video in the library here on it.
Savage wrote:
If you want to "throw a curveball" you'd probably be better off with 2.Bg5, which is somewhat awkward for Black to meet. There are also lines with an early h3 and g4 which - if Black is unprepared for them - are much more dangerous than the Staunton.
As a Dutch player I don't really mind 2.Bg5 as I just set up g6 with a typical Leningrad formation and develop normally.
Also +1 on Pfren's ironic humility. If an IM has poor knowledge what does that make the rest of us ^_^
As for Gambits 1.d4,f5 2.Qd3 looks unprincipled, but it sets up g4!? which enters Manhattan Gambit territory with chances for both sides. Black usually runs the queen over to d7 and gets some safety on the queenside, and between then and 3.g4!? are many unclear positions with chances for both sides. Here is an interesting game between two 2500+ players with it:
Aug 12, 2013
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#16
pfren wrote:
Black can probably equalize against the Staunton, although his task is certainly not easy.
Which variation do you suggest as good for Black after 1.d4 f5 2.e4 fe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5? To my poor knowledge 4...Nc6 is best, but still not easy.
When I have won with the Staunton, Black has found equality, but at the cost of lots of time off the clock, sometimes finding a series of "only" moves and on the defensive for a long time. All that pressure can be tough with the clock ticking. The errors come later.
Aug 12, 2013
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#17
Savage wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
pfren wrote:
Black can probably equalize against the Staunton, although his task is certainly not easy.
Which variation do you suggest as good for Black after 1.d4 f5 2.e4 fe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5? To my poor knowledge 4...Nc6 is best, but still not easy.
When I have won with the Staunton, Black has found equality, but at the cost of lots of time off the clock, sometimes finding a series of "only" moves and on the defensive for a long time. All that pressure can be tough with the clock ticking. The errors come later.
The main line is 1.d4 f5 2.e4 fe 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nc6 5.d5 Ne5 6.Qd4 Nf7 7. Bxf6 ef (gf is also possible) when Black has the bishop pair and no real problems.
White can also play in gambit style with 4.f3 but then Black gets a good game with 4...d5.
That's why I play 2.Nc3 3.Bg5 and then 4.e4. It's a more effective move order that immediately puts Black under pressure.
Aug 12, 2013
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#19
shepi13 wrote:
Which I play too. You have to be willing to play a stonewall though.
I took up this particular line to prevent a specific opponent from going into a Stonewall, and to put him on his own resources early. I also planned far enough ahead for this particular game that I was able to play a correspondence game first. The correspondence game is in my blog post, referenced above.
This is the OTB game:
Since that game, I've only played the line a handful of online blitz games. My opponents usually find themselves in time trouble.
I played the Raphael Dutch against an FM in 2008. He played 3...d5. In my preparation for him, I did look at some gambit lines involving f3 and g4, but did not play them. Despite a 500 point rating difference, I earned a draw in the third game of our match.
Does anyone have any expereince playing a gambit against the Dutch?
I found this and it looks playable. Especailly 1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nc6 5.Bb5
http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/A82_Dutch_Defense_Staunton_gambit