gambits are stupid

So if Carlsen plays the Bongcloud against a 2900 and wins repeatedly, maybe the Bongcloud isn't so stupid for the 2900 level?

People who play joke openings are better than their rating suggests, some example some play moves like h5 and then g5 and I can only assume they're thinking something like "haaaa, isn't this very funny, amn't I so clever". They also mess up the learning of people who are trying to learn from these games, thinking that maybe the opponent's position isn't really as bad as it is and it's bad sportsmanship in general to purposefully give a clear advantage to the opponent to bait them, usually penalized in other sports.

The small-centered pirc however doesn't really belong with joke openings as that is more just an independent opening that wouldn't survive well at the highest levels but you can't say it's that stupid. It's a perfectly valid opening really.

Some people seem to think the Owen's isn't a joke opening because it has a long history and black isn't terrible. However name a single reason to prefer it to a queen's indian or a sicilian followed by a6, b5 and Bb7. It's just worse.

i feel you man... i nearly quit chess because i got so tired of trolls and no matter how high i climbed, i never saw any change. Even when i was playing people over 2000 i would rarely get an actual opening and would typically get some trash that either was trendy (because a streamer was cramming it down their followers throats) or some opening that only computers can really refute. i recommend getting to about 2100 on lichess. the player pool there is much more mature and serious about learning. once i turned away from chess.com, i never looked back.

best of luck if you take the lichess route.

Yes.

It is just about one step short of refuted.

Note that White could have gotten a winning game right in the opening in that Fischer game.

8. Nc3! Qxc2 9. Qd4! is winning for White. The Black Queen is trapped.

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If white plays correctly from the start and has a decent plan, which is fairly easy to learn against the Damiano, black will have an awful game. Black has to be hoping that White doesn't know the theory and slips up in some way, as Fischer did.

Even stockfish, which is usually kind to bad openings, has +2 for white immediately. I know computers don't mean everything but they mean something, and the Damiano is pretty bad.

the englund is a black opening

Everybody thinks so, until they face a strong player who plays in the spirit of Paul Morphy.

I think it was either Socrates or Nietzsche who said "There's no stupid gambits...... there's just stupid players."

> says all gambits are stupid

> posts a gambit with a forced loss

> refuses to elaborate

> leaves

A few weeks ago I played a NM where I moved all my pawns up one square. I won. If you lose to a troll opening you really only have yourself to blame; stop coping and start playing better.

+1

The Queen's Gambit waves "hi".

To be fair the Queen's Gambit isn't really a gambit. Black simply cannot hold onto the pawn in the QGA unless White screws up.

> players like B1ZMARK keeps the topic alive even 2 month later for some reason

my faulmt = (

then the benko, evans or the marshall gambits?

I kinda agree with this post, almost all gambits are dumb and makes you lose material for no reason, the only good gambit is the Intercontinental ballistic missile gambit

Eric Rosen’s stafford gambit is also very deadly.

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Yeah I wasn't agreeing with the OP, just pointing out that if we're going to talk about gambits we should talk about actual gambits and not an opening that was misnamed 500 years ago.

I'd throw in the Morra as an actual gambit that is pretty good.