gambits harmful for the prospects of improving ?

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BigTy

Gambitking - You don't need to play gambits to have an exciting game. I mean, why play the Morra gambit when you can have great attacking chances in the open sicilian without giving away a pawn? Why play the Latvian and hope your opponent doesn't know how to bust it when you get a much better game with the Schliemann or Marshall attack. Why play the garbage london when you can play a dutch, KID or benoni and still get a sharp game?

Not only do these gambits stunt your growth as a chess player, they also handicap you! Really, giving pawns away at the start of the game may be fun, but essentially you are just making things tougher for yourself. I think gambits can be good for improving your tactics and attacking skills, but once you get to a certain level you won't be surprising your opponents anymore, and will instead have to fight for equality from the start. It is better IMO to build a repertoire based on sound lines now than to have to relearn a whole new repertoire once you get to the level where opponents are beating you everytime you use these gambits.

rigamagician

Perhaps GM Lars Bo Hansen had Gambitking in mind when he made his original suggestion. Laughing

I agree with BigTy that you can have just as much fun, and perhaps win more games playing strong gambits and other sharp openings as you can playing weak or unsound gambits.  I've lost games against strong players where I played the Latvian, and the real problem comes when you analyze the game later, and can't find any improvements for black other than 2...Nc6! or 2...Nf6!

By the way, what are the moves of the Garbage London Gambit?  Sounds interesting!

For weaker players or players who are just learning though, they should probably play whatever they feel most comfortable with.  I don't think there is any opening that will stunt your growth because you can always take up new openings as you improve.

LavaRook

@Gambitking

Just curious, what would you play against 1.Nf3, intending d4 (or c4) next move :P

@Anthony

I think by gambits 'stunting chess growth,' people generally mean those early opening gambits. 'Gambits' in the middlegame are more like pawn sacrifices for play.I think playing sound, 'modern'  gambits where the compensation is long lasting is much better. e.g. Benko Gambit, Anti-Moscow Gambit, Marshall Gambit in Semi-Slav,  the Catalan.

rigamagician
LavaRook wrote:

Just curious, what would you play against 1.Nf3, intending d4 (or c4) next move :P

The Schmidlap Maneuver is a favourite response amongst gambiteers to 1.Nf3 2.d4.  Adds quite a bit of life to proceedings in the tournament hall.

I believe that Gambitking plays 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 e5!? the Albin-Budapest Countergambit. Tongue out

BigTy
rigamagician wrote:

By the way, what are the moves of the Garbage London Gambit?  Sounds interesting!


Sorry guys, I meant the Englund gambit. I got Englund and London mixed up Tongue out.

The London isn't exactly ambitious, but it can't be called garbage either as black cannot get more than equality. The Englund on the other hand... Well, you guys don't want to know how I feel about that gambit Smile.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

To me, 3.f3 against the Caro is called the Fantasy. And 2.c4 is called the Accelerated Panov. But it's just a terminology thing.

I like GM Speelman's advice in his Caro book "New Ideas in the Caro-Kann defense", where he says that 3.f3 is harmless, as long as black doesn't attempt an outright refutation via 3...dxe4 4.fxe4 e5

ozzie_c_cobblepot

To: GambitKing

From: Ozzie

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It's a shame you weren't in the Englund Gambit tourney I played in awhile back. You could have showed off all of those mad skilllz!

ozzie_c_cobblepot

I played in the tournament because I was curious as to what the games would end up looking like. I think it might only be the 2nd worst move for black, presumably after 1.d4 g5?

http://www.chess.com/tournament/englund-gambit---open

hvhvhnhnhnnvv

I think that by playing gambits you learn how to evaluate initiative and development against material and it is an essential skill to have. All things have their place.

pwrgmrguard

I've been playing with 1.a3 and if i see Sicilian 2. a3. I haven't lost to the sicilian in that line yet, granted i'm also not playing top tier competition. Modified wing is really fun to play for now, while i learn more about the english and others.