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chessisme1123

Well there were a lot of comments and lots of help thanks :D

Atos
jemptymethod wrote:
jemptymethod wrote:

(edited by kohai to remove abusive attack)

To the OP: you want to play a gambit, and have some familiarity with the Scotch?  Then why not the Scotch gambit:


Kohai, that's just ironic: I attacked somebody doing the attacking.  Now I see the hypocrite I "attacked" has edited their post to make it less offensive.

This site has been ruined by trolls and completely off-topic and illogical discussions, and I won't be renewing my premium membership.  


It is kind of ironic that you wish to fight perceived insulting posts (the post you responded to it wasn't really insulting, just vaguely rude) by being even more insulting yourself.

Also, if it seems to you that the etymology and history of gambits is not relevant to the topic of gambits, then you have a very narrow view of what is on topic.

TheCBossGambit

can someone post a diagram showing a good example of the goring gambit?  ive heard alot of chatter about it, but have never seen it. thanks!

Atos
TheCBossGambit wrote:

can someone post a diagram showing a good example of the goring gambit?  ive heard alot of chatter about it, but have never seen it. thanks!


Couldn't you use a database, or just Google ?

pathfinder416

The Goring, minimum set of moves, in the most common order:

pathfinder416

Oops, forgot the board :).

trigs
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pathfinder416

One thing about the Goring should be mentioned: you get a lasting initiative for the pawn, but you win by going for Black's king. There is no other target of interest, unless Black blunders and offers you material.

WestofHollywood
pathfinder416 wrote:

One thing about the Goring should be mentioned: you get a lasting initiative for the pawn, but you win by going for Black's king. There is no other target of interest, unless Black blunders and offers you material.


 I play the Goering all the time, but if black plays the correct defense white only has a slight intitiative that will dissipate if black doesn't make any serious errors.

Atos
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pathfinder416
WestofHollywood wrote:

 I play the Goering all the time, but if black plays the correct defense white only has a slight intitiative that will dissipate if black doesn't make any serious errors.

If you play the GG frequently in correspondence play, with deep analysis, that means much more than blitz. My personal explorations have found that IM and GM play is littered with considerably more Black casualties than White.

I don't dismiss your comment though -- I think final assessment of the GG is very much an open question.

maniackid012

I like the King's Gambit 1. e4 e5 2. f4

The Vienna Gambit 1.e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3.f4

chessisme1123

I have heard a lot of gambits .. here is my list so far... 

 

1. Scotch gambit :D :D :D :D 

2. Goring gambit :| 

3. King's gambit :/ 

4- ?  Others .. haven't looked up any but those three so far. I will continue looking them up though. Even if I do not play these gambit's it is good to look them up to know what to do against them, thanks for all of the suggestions and feedback. 

LavaRook

Honestly, rather than playing these early gambits, try looking for "gambits" or simply pawn sacs later in the game. These early two mover gambtis like the BDG,Smith-Morra, Wing Gambit, Danish Gambit.... can be PREPARED AGAINST.

Any good Sicilian Defense player won't have trouble vs. a Wing Gambit or Morra. As a Sicilian player, you need to be prepared to defend scary attacks but the Wing Gambit doesn't really qualify as "Scary." Sicilian players have seen much scarier stuff than this.... (e.g. Bxe6 sacs, e5 pawn sacs...)

However, on the other hand, and Fezzik said this earlier, pawn sacs or sacs in general later in the game can lead to unclear positions where there is no definitive conclusion. This is modern chess and it can be seen in the Sicilian, Catalan, Semi-Slav 5.Bg5, Grunfeld 8.Rb1...

And this is what a true gambiteer wants right: unclear,complex positions? Correct me if im wrong.

chessman_calum

latvian gambit!

chessisme1123

hmm looking at all the suggestions. 

jwchessfan

I think the Benko Gambit is very interesting

chessisme1123

I like to go on the game explorer and look at the white wins / draws / loss ratio for these opening... most of them you have offered are pretty good :D 

Atos
Estragon wrote:
LavaRook wrote:

Honestly, rather than playing these early gambits, try looking for "gambits" or simply pawn sacs later in the game. These early two mover gambtis like the BDG,Smith-Morra, Wing Gambit, Danish Gambit.... can be PREPARED AGAINST.

Any good Sicilian Defense player won't have trouble vs. a Wing Gambit or Morra. As a Sicilian player, you need to be prepared to defend scary attacks but the Wing Gambit doesn't really qualify as "Scary." Sicilian players have seen much scarier stuff than this.... (e.g. Bxe6 sacs, e5 pawn sacs...)

However, on the other hand, and Fezzik said this earlier, pawn sacs or sacs in general later in the game can lead to unclear positions where there is no definitive conclusion. This is modern chess and it can be seen in the Sicilian, Catalan, Semi-Slav 5.Bg5, Grunfeld 8.Rb1...

And this is what a true gambiteer wants right: unclear,complex positions? Correct me if im wrong.


 

I absolutely agree.  The true gambit spirit is best expressed in the early middlegame by the sudden pawn sac for play.  It's amazing how often the possibility is there if you look for it.  And the later sacs have the advantage of not being subjected to a century or so of analysis the opponent may or may not know.

Certain openings lead to certain types of games, of course, and everyone should play those they feel most comfortable and confident playing.  But just playing a gambit doesn't make you a gambit player.  And if you're a gambit player, you don't need to use a stock one in the opening.


I have a nasty suspicion that the "stock" gambits are probably better than what most of us can come up with on our own. It's pretty difficult for an intermediate player to produce a pawn sac for initiative that works and is not readily refutable. (I am not talking about forced tactical lines that can be calculated, or about fast games where dropping a pawn doesn't matter much and might just turn out well, I am talking about sound pawn sacs for initiative.)

Also, I am not sure that I really understand the distinction between someone who plays gambits and a gambit player; if there is a distinction, it would seem that the former is at least well on their way to becoming the latter.

e_fiddy

In my experience the Kings Gambit is just plain fun, even against prepared players. Plus I love to put pressure on my opponents f6 square.

It can be either very good if the opponent is defensive and unsure or a difficult/complete disaster if the opponent counter-attacks aggressively with his Queen and King's Bishop.