Good weapon against the French?

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ricorat

Hello everyone I was wondering if any of you had any suggestions of a good weapon against the French Defense?

ricorat
bhavikchaudhary wrote:

I play exchange variation,  as simple as that.

The exchange is a good option! I’ve heard that French players hate playing against it.

ThrillerFan
ricorat wrote:
bhavikchaudhary wrote:

I play exchange variation,  as simple as that.

The exchange is a good option! I’ve heard that French players hate playing against it.

 

You've either heard wrong, or only heard from very naive French players!

 

The Exchange is easy equality for Black!  Thank you for the free half point, and now I'm fighting for two results.  Win or Draw!

 

The Tarrasch is also worthless after 3...c5!

 

There are two valid tries at getting an advantage against the French:

 

1) If you prefer a more positional game, looking to take advantage of things like an advantage in space, weak color complexes and weak squares (light squares around the King and g7), and good knight vs bad bishop scenarios (where you have the Knight), then the Advance Variation (3.e5) is the way to go.

 

2) If you prefer swashbuckling chess, sacrifice material a lot, and like wild attacking games, then 3.Nc3 is the solution for you!

 

Which is better depends on the individual.  I play 3.e5 over the board and usually play 3.Nc3 in Correspondence, though I have occasionally played 3.Nc3 OTB or 3.e5 in Correspondence.  I also play the French as Black on a regular basis, OTB, Online, and Correspondence!

Chuck639

I play the kings gambit and McDonnell attack when starting off with e4 so the Bourdonnais attack was natural and successful.

tygxc

3 Nc3: MVL - Nepo

https://share.chessbase.com/SharedGames/game/?p=QiQNgUlbo3sWuB5d9jlG5UIat70pgkmy+i6cMaVxaPaENVOq77Y8QfbvV8F9BKLE

 

blueemu

I play the King's Indian Attack.

 

SaiSatyanandMandol

I play the two Knights variation

 

chamo2074
ThrillerFan wrote:
ricorat wrote:
bhavikchaudhary wrote:

I play exchange variation,  as simple as that.

The exchange is a good option! I’ve heard that French players hate playing against it.

 

You've either heard wrong, or only heard from very naive French players!

 

The Exchange is easy equality for Black!  Thank you for the free half point, and now I'm fighting for two results.  Win or Draw!

 

The Tarrasch is also worthless after 3...c5!

 

There are two valid tries at getting an advantage against the French:

 

1) If you prefer a more positional game, looking to take advantage of things like an advantage in space, weak color complexes and weak squares (light squares around the King and g7), and good knight vs bad bishop scenarios (where you have the Knight), then the Advance Variation (3.e5) is the way to go.

 

2) If you prefer swashbuckling chess, sacrifice material a lot, and like wild attacking games, then 3.Nc3 is the solution for you!

 

Which is better depends on the individual.  I play 3.e5 over the board and usually play 3.Nc3 in Correspondence, though I have occasionally played 3.Nc3 OTB or 3.e5 in Correspondence.  I also play the French as Black on a regular basis, OTB, Online, and Correspondence!

But all the king hunts are blacks after Bb5 in the Classical

chamo2074

Try the Papa-ticulat gambit @OP. I know you will destroy a lot of people with it if you play blitz mostly.

If you want to get more serious I recommend what Thriller fan recommended, study and beat them from their own field

chamo2074

But I had a question @Thrillerfan

How is white doing well in the advance variation after this:

 

chamo2074

Black has play on both sides, all white has is some space on the kingside which is temporarily useless because the king in on the queenside, and black will break it because of Rdg8 and g6. The queenside is definitely blacks with all his pieces there, extra space because of c5-c4 and the b3 square

poggopchamp

Study the Nc3 line. Don’t play the advanced. Advanced variation gives black slight advantage and most well known by french players. 

anhbao123

French player hate exchange variation because it's just boring like exchange slav, or exchange caro-kann(the best of them all). If you want to play something that your opponent hate, go for three knight as white and hippo as black.

ShamusMcFlannigan
ThrillerFan wrote:
ricorat wrote:
bhavikchaudhary wrote:

I play exchange variation,  as simple as that.

The exchange is a good option! I’ve heard that French players hate playing against it.

 

You've either heard wrong, or only heard from very naive French players!

 

The Exchange is easy equality for Black!  Thank you for the free half point, and now I'm fighting for two results.  Win or Draw!

 

The Tarrasch is also worthless after 3...c5!

 

There are two valid tries at getting an advantage against the French:

 

1) If you prefer a more positional game, looking to take advantage of things like an advantage in space, weak color complexes and weak squares (light squares around the King and g7), and good knight vs bad bishop scenarios (where you have the Knight), then the Advance Variation (3.e5) is the way to go.

 

2) If you prefer swashbuckling chess, sacrifice material a lot, and like wild attacking games, then 3.Nc3 is the solution for you!

 

Which is better depends on the individual.  I play 3.e5 over the board and usually play 3.Nc3 in Correspondence, though I have occasionally played 3.Nc3 OTB or 3.e5 in Correspondence.  I also play the French as Black on a regular basis, OTB, Online, and Correspondence!

I agree that Nc3 is the critical move against the French, but your other evaluations don't seem to line up with what many strong French player's propose. 

The Tarrasch is absolutely a great weapon against the French.  It gets more play than the advance at the highest levels as well. 

Although I don't care for the exchange, it also isn't as bad as you say.  White is still up their half tempo, so unless you see it as some sort of 30 piece zugzwang three results are possible.

cricket7890

Play the NImzowitsch Gambit

 

ThrillerFan
chamo2074 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
ricorat wrote:
bhavikchaudhary wrote:

I play exchange variation,  as simple as that.

The exchange is a good option! I’ve heard that French players hate playing against it.

 

You've either heard wrong, or only heard from very naive French players!

 

The Exchange is easy equality for Black!  Thank you for the free half point, and now I'm fighting for two results.  Win or Draw!

 

The Tarrasch is also worthless after 3...c5!

 

There are two valid tries at getting an advantage against the French:

 

1) If you prefer a more positional game, looking to take advantage of things like an advantage in space, weak color complexes and weak squares (light squares around the King and g7), and good knight vs bad bishop scenarios (where you have the Knight), then the Advance Variation (3.e5) is the way to go.

 

2) If you prefer swashbuckling chess, sacrifice material a lot, and like wild attacking games, then 3.Nc3 is the solution for you!

 

Which is better depends on the individual.  I play 3.e5 over the board and usually play 3.Nc3 in Correspondence, though I have occasionally played 3.Nc3 OTB or 3.e5 in Correspondence.  I also play the French as Black on a regular basis, OTB, Online, and Correspondence!

But all the king hunts are blacks after Bb5 in the Classical

 

Why are you playing Bb5 in the Classical?  There is one specific line where it is used in the Steinitz I seem to recall, but I believe it was a game where Black had made errors early on if memory serves me right.

 

In the Classical, the Bishop has no business on b5.  It belongs on d3.  Actually, I had a correspondence game against a 2174 (Provisional, granted) on ICCF that actually made the oldest mistake in the book!

 

chamo2074

Sorry I meant Bb4 so sorry to have wasted your time

ThrillerFan
chamo2074 wrote:

Sorry I meant Bb4 so sorry to have wasted your time

 

As in the Winawer or McCutchen?

There are many hunts against the Black King in both.  You cannot be hasty about it and sacrifice too early.

Also, you do not have to go for these wild attacks.  You can play 3.e5 and play for the space advantage and better minor pieces.  There is no 20-move knockout blow.  It is a slow bleed for the Black King in the advance.

IMKeto
ricorat wrote:
bhavikchaudhary wrote:

I play exchange variation,  as simple as that.

The exchange is a good option! I’ve heard that French players hate playing against it.

The exchange is a French defense players dream come true.  Absolute piece activity after 3 moves.  You cant beat that.

chamo2074

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