Gruenfeld defense

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One of the people I play chess with frequently playes the Gruenfeld defense against 1. d4. I have studied a few variations, so that I can navigate through the first 12-14 moves. However, I'm still unsure of the big picture, in terms of what general strategic themes tend to emerge in games that open with the Gruenfeld, what sorts of plans white (and black) tend to have in mind. All advice is appreciated!

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translated by google, sorry...

but its an interresting article!

Although Kasparov, Leko and Svidler striking simultaneously Grünfeld have passed as the main defense against 1.d4, one can hardly be regarded as a green field refuted. I think it's still a good, active and semi-solid opening. Not quite as solid as the Queen's Gambit, Slav or Nimzo-Indian, but just as good as King's Indian, and certainly better than Benoni, Dutch, etc.

Perhaps or even likely (but I will have to prove it to anyone) White gets some play in the system Abtausch a tiny advantage, but nothing special.
As for the special version of 2.Matchpartie 2000 against Kramnik, so Kasparov has shown a year later in Astana (for him it was probably a question of honor), that Black can compensate somewhat forced.
The real problem lies with the green box (as I estimate) less variation in a very concrete, but rather in the way top GMs prepare today with PCs. Green field is active and sometimes very sharply, by position type is the exchange variation (as well as large parts of Db3 systems) a half-open and not closed the opening. White has the choice between playing very forced, at the end of the 25-35.Zug is often a tiny white advantage in relatively open position and a sharp (but only if White-GM is perfectly familiar; lower levels in white is often before tripped). These positions (there are many of them tend to be investigated and a white out) are usually very good and very deeply analyzed with the PC: White can be a flattening process put into the final deal or prepare for brutal tactics to win deep trials. Where it has black and harder to find the right answer on the board. Preparation and technical white has it a lot easier probably. Something like I see it

Green box at the top level is the theory-speak, death died (at least currently). But not because of a specific variant inappropriate refutation, but because of the extent and the nature / structure of the theory.
Similarly, there are other openings, such as with 6.Bg5 Najdorf against. Many strong players still see no clear black balance against 6.Bg5, but just a bunch of chaotic PLAY (especially in the Poisoned Pawn-variant), where white in each variant may retain the initiative. But here are looking for just tend to black out his system, while White has to be prepared for all. The black defensive moves can be found on board just yet, but White's attack is so sharp and rely only on trains (the residue material is sustained during the attack), that White has to be really prepared perfectly. Anyone who has views Nunn few hundred-page "Overview" on-6.Bg5 Najdorf, has no desire to actually white. Although 6.Bg5 is good, if not the best against the Najdorf. - Another example would be in the Botvinnik Semi-Slav Gambit. Totanalysiert is like no other and what is still unclear. The theory is often proclaimed + - but against Shirov Ivanov or dares not white (not even Kasparov!) Play the main suspect beneficial variants.

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I am a recent Grunfeld player, although I've hardly ever gotten the chance to play it against anyone so far. I will leave explaining the real ideas of the opening to someone else, since I don't know it too well myself.

However, I will tell you that it seems to be an extremely dynamic opening. I was on ICC today and found some videos by GM Akobian on the Grunfeld where he goes over some games with his favorite line against the opening. If you're curious, this is the line.

I think I'm trying to say what kingcrusher's article is saying, but I'm not sure. The point is that there are just a lot of possible positions and ideas in the opening, and it's so dynamic that I think it's somewhat of a problem. If I was playing white against the Grunfeld, I think I'd try to surprise my opponent but at the same time get in a position I'm comfortable with.

The opening sort of reminds me of the Sicillian Sveshnikov for now, which I've been playing for a while. Very theoretical, and sometimes black's moves end up making little sense and it feels like you're just following theory for the sake of following theory.

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Kingcrusher: Can you send this to me in the original German? I'd have an easier time with that than the google translation.

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sorry GG,

i was just browsing around by this article...Cool

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GothicGroucho, as white, are you playing the Russian 5 Qb3, the Exchange 4 cxd5, or something else?  The big picture is very big when it comes to Grunfeld theory.

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I'm playing the exchange: specifically, 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3, etc.

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I play the black side of the Exchange V.  As far as themes and plans, black wants to hit the d4 pawn with ...c5 and achieve queenside play.  After both sides play cxd4 at some point, black will have a queenside majority.  That queenside majority will likely run slower than white's d-pawn, however.

Avatar of wishiwonthatone

The article KingCrusher posted states the Gruenfeld as a better opening than the Dutch. Recently I've started experimenting with the Dutch opening because I hate the D4 opening for black. The standard gambit response always makes me feel like I'm under attack for the whole game, and the king's side is always under pressure.

The Dutch leads to some passive pawn play which definitely cuts white's attack. It slows the game down. Kind of boring, but effective at equalizing play.

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If the example above is acurate I'm staying clear. Looks like hell for black.