Guy used same stupid opening 3 times, and got me every time.

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Tom_Hindle

@JackOfAllHobbies what you fell for is the Lolli Attack but in slightly different forms my recommendation is to research the Lolli or if you don't want to... the lines I'd recommend which were available in your games are... (as black after e4, e5 Nf3, Nc6, Bc4 you should play Bc5 because if Ng5, Qxg5) as white it's similar because his attack is using basic chess knowledge of the fact that f7 as black (f2 as white) is the weakness of the position... basically I'd recommend researching the lolli not just to protect against it but to use it and also just learn some opening lines because in the normal Lolli (e4, e5, Nf3, Nc6, Bc4, Nf6??) Nf6 is a blunder because it blocks your queen's control of g5 which his knight uses to attack your f7 pawn... sorry if my explanation was long it was just to help you understand his attack :) .... and because I'm always happy to help if I know how if you need any more help whether it be the lolli or another tactic or anything in chess just PM me I'll get back to you when I can

hapless_fool

I'm new, so grain of salt time. Plus I suck. But doing the same thing over and getting and getting plastered. Seems wrong. Why not play the Italian game and go fried liver?

Tom_Hindle

@hapless_fool but the fried liver & lolli (which can basically be classed as one) are probably the most well-known attack (followed by the greek gift)

AlisonHart

1...e5 exposes your f7 pawn by preventing you from playing ...e6 - if you play the French or Caro Kan as black, you force that guy to come up with a new idea "f7 - off limits - NEXT"

 

Some people only know how to attack the f7 pawn, so just try to defend it (without losing to a tactic in the process) and then trade to an endgame, and they'll be lost without the queen.

frrixz

I'm confused. You won the third game. And I don't have a clue why games 2 and 3 ended. Both were still playable on both sides.

soupram
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CJ_P

You could have just take e5 (in 1 and 3). Then play d4! Depending how they play they *can* get the pawn back ... but it costs lots of time.

If they trade their rook for two minors, you have more attacking pieces. Try to get the bishop pair vs a rook!!

I think too many peeps try to say "this or that" is better for whoever but these imbalances in the position are what us lower rated guys should play for.

tjp132

JackOfAllHobbies wrote:

Here, I am white.

 

Here I am black

 

Here I am white

Any general principles I need to be aware of to prevent this crap?  THREE IN A ROW...  UGH.


ghostofmaroczy
Optimissed wrote:

Basically don't play 3 ...Nf6 unless you know the variations. The two knights defence is very complex. Don't play it.

Shorted. 

Toadofsky

If you insist on always playing the sharpest, most aggressive reply to your opponent's threats, sometimes you'll get burned.

In general you'd benefit from castling.

In one specific position (should you choose to play it):

it pays to know a couple things.

WalangAlam

dude h6

Toadofsky
Optimissed wrote:

I expect h6 would lose to d4.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 h6? 4. d4 is good for White, especially if Black doesn't know what he's doing and he wastes another tempo or two.  I have won hundreds of games in this variation.

O121neArro88w_closed

The reason why tactics are more important than openings is because tactics apply all the time, everywhere. For example, in these slightly different openings that can be thought of as a "family of openings" but are slightly different, Nxe5 would have prevailed in many of the lines. It's impossible to memorize all this opening theory. Nobody can do it. Strong players would not hesitate to play Nxe5, however -- not because they know the line, per se, but because they have enough tactical radar to "see" that the pawn is free, that moving a knight twice in the opening is "worth" the pawn, and that Black has no tactical tricks up his sleeve to take advantage of the lose of tempo moving the knight twice. Tactics apply all the time. Even if you memorize this silly line, you'll be lucky to play it again once every hundred games when your opposition gets better. Work on your general chess skills like tactics, rather than specific lines. That's what I would take away from this lesson. In fact, the time you spent posting this question and replying to answers would have been better spent on the chess.com tactics server. Give it a try.

TitanCG

The OP missed that the e-pawn was hanging. It wasn't an opening problem.

Dunk12

This kind of thing is 100% in the spirit of the Open Game. If you don't like it, I suggest not playing 1.e4 as White or 1.e5 as Black. In the first game, just Castle. Knight + Bishop is slightly stronger than Rook + Pawn in that position.

It's basically the Lolli Attack (when played as White) research that opening. It often involes a Knight sac which aims to expose the enemy King.

In games 1 and 3 however, 5. O-O is best and if he captures on f2 you have considerable advantage because he wasted tempos in order to simply trade his only developed pieces in a poor exchange. You have powerful lead in development if the exchange does occur.

thebigchi2

e4 e5, nf3 nc6, bc4 nf6, italian game two nights defense. you ought to smile when someone plays ng5, it moving a piece twice in the opening. there's brilliant trap play as black. ng5 d5, exd4 nd4. i actually do not know exact play beyond that, but i believe the plan is bc5, queen protects or stops the pawn, and f2 crumbles like a cookie against whites aggression.

motzer2000
Kasporov_Jr hat geschrieben:

just accept the fact that chess isnt for you

Your are a big asshole - given the fact of your comments here and your meaning about the middle east people as barbaric in another topic. You should be banned from this site with your fascist attitude.

ghostofmaroczy
Optimissed wrote:

That's why it's a troll thread. It's pretty 

JackOfAllHobbies

Got screwed again



JackOfAllHobbies

MUST REMEMBER NOT TO TRY TO TAKE BACK THAT 2nd PIECE