my advice would be to play h3 or Bc5 so that that your opponents knight cant get to g5 which is the cause of your problems
Hard-to-avoid trap in the Italian?
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First of all, it doesn't force the win of a piece, you needed to play 7...Ke6. What you've shown is the fried liver attack -- you have several chances to avoid it.
3...Nf6 is a risky move, more usual is 3...Bc5, see diagram 1.
5...Nxd5 is definitely risky, now white can force the fried liver or lolli attack, much more common is 5...Na5 see 2nd diagram.
If you insist on playing 5...Nxd5, then you will enter this attack, and your only option is 7...Ke6 with a known for hundreds of years, but wild position -- it's debatable who is better. See 3rd diagram.
Below are your options.
5...Nxd5 is where you go wrong... no you don't have to capture the pawn. 5...Na5 is the move you want.
Nov 28, 2010
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orangehonda wrote:
First of all, it doesn't force the win of a piece, you needed to play 7...Ke6. What you've shown is the fried liver attack -- you have several chances to avoid it.
3...Nf6 is a risky move, more usual is 3...Bc5, see diagram 1.
5...Nxd5 is definitely risky, now white can force the fried liver or lolli attack, much more common is 5...Na5 see 2nd diagram.
If you insist on playing 5...Nxd5, then you will enter this attack, and your only option is 7...Ke6 with a known for hundreds of years, but wild position -- it's debatable who is better. See 3rd diagram.
Below are your options.
Bump.
You can ignore most any other responses here unless they want to go into more detail. The only thing I'd add if orange didn't say so or I missed it, is that the opening that you showed in your OP is not the Italian, it's the "two knights defense". If you look that up you'll find a lot of options.
polydiatonic wrote:
orangehonda wrote:
First of all, it doesn't force the win of a piece, you needed to play 7...Ke6. What you've shown is the fried liver attack -- you have several chances to avoid it.
3...Nf6 is a risky move, more usual is 3...Bc5, see diagram 1.
5...Nxd5 is definitely risky, now white can force the fried liver or lolli attack, much more common is 5...Na5 see 2nd diagram.
If you insist on playing 5...Nxd5, then you will enter this attack, and your only option is 7...Ke6 with a known for hundreds of years, but wild position -- it's debatable who is better. See 3rd diagram.
Below are your options.
Bump.
You can ignore most any other responses here unless they want to go into more detail. The only thing I'd add if orange didn't say so or I missed it, is that the opening that you showed in your OP is not the Italian, it's the "two knights defense". If you look that up you'll find a lot of options.
Thanks :)
No, actually I just completely glazed over the fact that it's not an italian game, oops 
Ahh, thanks.
Na5 loses a pawn also though. Is there any real compensation you gain from it? In most gambits, there's some compensation for the side that gives up material, but Na5 appears to lose the pawn for no reason.
Maybe I should switch to 3...Bc5 after all, lol
Nov 29, 2010
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zezpwn44 wrote:
Ahh, thanks.
Na5 loses a pawn also though. Is there any real compensation you gain from it? In most gambits, there's some compensation for the side that gives up material, but Na5 appears to lose the pawn for no reason.
Maybe I should switch to 3...Bc5 after all, lol
You gained development and the position is almost equal now.
3...Nf6 is a good defensive move. You would be best to play what you like best. The opponent playing 4.Ng5 is just using tricks. If you know a few key moves it's really in your favour.
Like they said on a commercial: "Silly rabbit, tricks are for blitz!".
Nov 29, 2010
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Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:
zezpwn44 wrote:
Ahh, thanks.
Na5 loses a pawn also though. Is there any real compensation you gain from it? In most gambits, there's some compensation for the side that gives up material, but Na5 appears to lose the pawn for no reason.
Maybe I should switch to 3...Bc5 after all, lol
You gained development and the position is almost equal now.
3...Nf6 is a good defensive move. You would be best to play what you like best. The opponent playing 4.Ng5 is just using tricks. If you know a few key moves it's really in your favour.
Like they said on a commercial: "Silly rabbit, tricks are for blitz!".
I don't know about that! Nf6 is practically a sacrificial gambit and it's then up to black to prove he's got compensation for the pawn. It may be that he does, maybe not. I think it's a great exageration to claim that Ng5 is a "trick". It's a legitimate attacking line and there's nothing at all wrong with it.
"The opponent playing 4.Ng5 is just using tricks. If you know a few key moves it's really in your favour."
No, it's just a very sharp line. It is by no means better for black.
On move 7 Ke8 is actually more dangerous than Ke6
I personally do not like the taste of 3... Nf6 in an Italian game, however it is pretty good in a spanish game
Nov 29, 2010
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There's a huge difference between playing a sharp line as a trick or as a sharp line. Most players I encouter (i'm in a too low competition for me as I've been greatly improving due having more free time. Not too say that I am awesome or something, just less worse haha) use stuff like that as a trick and once you don't follow what they want you to do (taking with the knight) the knowledge ends.
And since I think we are probably in the same competition level ;).
Nov 29, 2010
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4.Ng5 has been called "a duffer's move" by Siegbert Tarrasch, a famous theoretician and strong practical player who admittedly was a wee bit dogmatic in his views.
Mihail Marin has a more realistic attitude on this; in his famous and highly recommendable book "Beating the Open Games" (Quality Chess 2007) he writes: "If absolute truth is ever to be discovered in chess, I wouldn't be surprised to find out the more logical 3...Nf6 is better." However, he admits he takes the practical difficulties in the ...Ng5 lines quite seriously and proceeds to recommend 3...Bc5 as the "safer" option.
Still, although you should definitely be aware 3...Nf6 implies a gambit, it is considered fully sound for Black today. Even though there is not an outright refutation of 4.Ng5, Black tends to have a bit more fun in most practcal games.
play this if you are having trouble against fried liver
i_r_n00b wrote:
play this if you are having trouble against fried liver
According to my engine, 4... Bc5?? is a blunder that loses 3 points after 5. Nxf7 Bxf2 6. Kf1!. Even after your 6. Kxf2? Nxe4, white is still up two points.
LoveUChess wrote:
JG27Pyth wrote:
5...Nxd5 is where you go wrong... no you don't have to capture the pawn. 5...Na5 is the move you want.
5...Nxd5!! is a good move. Better than Na5
You should have instructed GMs about your revelation; chessgames.com opening explorer:
| 5...Na5 | 846 |
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Ahh, I see. The gambit line makes more sense now.
Azukikuru wrote:
i_r_n00b wrote:
play this if you are having trouble against fried liver
According to my engine, 4... Bc5?? is a blunder that loses 3 points after 5. Nxf7 Bxf2 6. Kf1!. Even after your 6. Kxf2? Nxe4, white is still up two points.
This one of the rare case where you engine is wrong,(maybe) there's alot of debate about the soundness of this line. The position is so ridiculous engines can't give accurate analysis.
I actually quite like white's position after Bd3 rather than Be2 in the Na5 lines:
LoveUChess wrote:
Dragec wrote:
Yes Nd5 is a better move for black because no one has refuted this but recent analysis shows there is no way how white takes advantage of Nxf7?? . d4 is better. I can't stop laughing at your ignorance.
Patzers with help of their little fish or German friend often look at the curved mirror, enjoying that they appear bigger than they actually are.
Real players on the other hand enjoy easy and conformable game after Na5, and they do not care what robot might say. 
So, you'd better run to your aquarium and enjoy the nice view.
I just played against the Italien as black.