Help against the Italian (with black)

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I suffer a lot playing against the Italian. Can you recommend any line for Black that is not Ac5 or Nf6 (two knights)?

Thanks

llama44

Ac5 (which is Bc5 for English speakers) is fine.

Instead of being bored or afraid of those positions, just take the time to learn them. They can stay symmetrical or boring for 10-20 moves, but after that the game starts and you can get an advantage if you know what you're doing.

One easy way to win games against inexperienced players is an early h6-g5 attack.

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damafe

At your level people doesn't play good moves at opening, so... it is more important to improve in tactics

The third most played move is Be7, but that move allows d4. But... avoids Ng5.

 

If you don't like the 2 main moves... maybe you should think if you like to play 1...e5 tongue.png

You have 11 games with Caro-Kann, with 64 % wins surprise.png (10 in blitz, with 70%). With escandinavian, 53%. You need to play more games, for better statistics tongue.png

 

I have 45% with caro-kann and with modern, my 2 best defences happy.png but with 3000 games with each grin.png

ThrillerFan
damafe wrote:

At your level people doesn't play good moves at opening, so... it is more important to improve in tactics

The third most played move is Be7, but that move allows d4. But... avoids Ng5.

 

If you don't like the 2 main moves... maybe you should think if you like to play 1...e5

You have 11 games with Caro-Kann, with 64 % wins  (10 in blitz, with 70%). With escandinavian, 53%. You need to play more games, for better statistics

 

I have 45% with caro-kann and with modern, my 2 best defences  but with 3000 games with each

 

Each person is different.  On here, I have 557 games as Black that started 1.e4 e6 and I have a 53% score with it as BLACK!  (44% White wins, 6% Draws, 50% Black wins).

damafe

then... the french is good for you happy.png

damafe
llama44 escribió:

Ac5 (which is Bc5 for English speakers) is fine.

Instead of being bored or afraid of those positions, just take the time to learn them. They can stay symmetrical or boring for 10-20 moves, but after that the game starts and you can get an advantage if you know what you're doing.

One easy way to win games against inexperienced players is an early h6-g5 attack.

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i think that white doesn't play h3 before black's castle, to avoid that attack.

llama44

Sure. Black is not winning by force in the Italian wink.png

LM_player
Hungarian Defense; 3...Ae7. A quiet and slightly less potent defense. It avoids the complexities of the Giucco Piano and Two Knights Defenses, but gives much space to White, and might lead to cramped positions for Black if he is not careful!

Or you could transpose to the Philidor Defense via 3...d6.
Finalito
damafe escribió:

At your level people doesn't play good moves at opening, so... it is more important to improve in tactics

The third most played move is Be7, but that move allows d4. But... avoids Ng5.

 

If you don't like the 2 main moves... maybe you should think if you like to play 1...e5

You have 11 games with Caro-Kann, with 64 % wins  (10 in blitz, with 70%). With escandinavian, 53%. You need to play more games, for better statistics

 

I have 45% with caro-kann and with modern, my 2 best defences  but with 3000 games with each

 
thanks for the tips. I like to play with space, that's why I don't play Sicilian or Scandinavian.

in another web game petrov, but I want to learn how to play 2.Nc6.

But the Italian is that I don't like it. I hate her 
 
Finalito
LM_player escribió:
Hungarian Defense; 3...Ae7. A quiet and slightly less potent defense. It avoids the complexities of the Giucco Piano and Two Knights Defenses, but gives much space to White, and might lead to cramped positions for Black if he is not careful!

Or you could transpose to the Philidor Defense via 3...d6.
 
The Hungarian defense is interesting. I've looked at it and it's funny.

Because the black reaches positions in similar to the Ruiz Lopez chigorim



damafe

if you want space, don't play Be7 tongue.png

 

 

Finalito
damafe escribió:

if you want space, don't play Be7

 

 

 

It is true. The main line comes to an end game

 

katie866
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