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p-wnattack, the king should be out in the endgame. This is to help attack the opponent's pawns and for you to promote your's. I, in my whole life, have never, not even when I just started learning chess, brought out my king in the opening. That is the dumbest move ever. If you want to lose tempo, waste moves, and get checkmated early, go ahead. I'm not stopping you. Yell

asvpcurtis
angrybirdstar wrote:

p-wnattack, the king should be out in the endgame. This is to help attack the opponent's pawns and for you to promote your's. I, in my whole life, have never, not even when I just started learning chess, brought out my king in the opening. That is the dumbest move ever. If you want to lose tempo, waste moves, and get checkmated early, go ahead. I'm not stopping you. 

angrybirdstar in the diagram you had in your previous post you had black give away a piece with Nxe4(a typical rookie mistake) instead of bring the bishop into no mans land where it could be taken you could brought out the king and could've played nxe4. besides that the Knights should've stayed on g8 and b8 where they would safe then you can mop up your opponents pieces with your king and you would've been completely winning.

dashkee94

temuchan

The idea of playing something like a4 to strengthen your hold on b5 isn't bad, but should be used when there is nothing better to do or in the face of a direct threat--say if black plays a6 in order to play b5 to attack the B/c4, the move a4 restrains the move b5.  With his pawns at c5 and a5, there is no need for a4; black will not be able play b5 until he untangles his pieces, which will take a while.  a4 then becomes more of a waste of time than a restraining move.  That's a full move you can use to develope a piece for the attack.

Bg5 is only an idea to get you to look in another direction; and if black plays something silly like 8....e5, 9.Nd5 and you own the d5 square and pressure the N/f6.  If 8....h6; 9.Bxf6 and you mess up his k-side pawns; if exf6 the e-pawn has shifted to the f-file and so you own d5 again (for a Nd5 move), if gxf6 black's h-pawn is isolated and his DSB is choking on his own pawns.  The position of the black DSB is temporary, and so is a transient advantage for white, while the isolated h-pawn is an organic weakness, it will be there for some time, but it is a weakness only if it can be attacked--otherwise, it's just a lonely pawn.  

So, to recap a little--your 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 10th move were either unneccessary or pointless.  In my carreer, I've sacced rooks to get three moves to develope an attack--you gave black five tempi in the first 10 moves!  And that's where you tread water--you don't recognize the opportunities your opponent gives you which will help your game expand. Your opponent was busy pushing pawns and you gave a check which moved a B twice (wasting a move) and forced him to develope a piece.  Your advantage in time begins to evaporate with that move.  Let him hang himself if he wants to.  IMO, d4 was the proper move--let black play cxd4 (another p move), Qxd4 and your developement is free, while black's pieces are struggling to get out of the box.  (BTW, if 6. Qxd4, Nc6 now 7.Bb5--it has a point in pinning the N).  Those opportunties are your direction.  That's the finish line you seek.  And when you throw a party, invite all your friends.  ("Hey man, there's a party tonight!"  "Oh yeah, where?"  "The black king's place."  "What time?"  "Around move 12-15--be there!")

If you'd like, PM me with other questions you might have on this or some other games you've played.  My OTB rating is USCF 2000 (I'm a little under that right now--my last two tourneys sucked) so I'm no GM, but I can help some with what you're going through right now.  If you'll do the work, I'll help in the direction.

DelayedResponse

p-wnattack, please post a diagram, which will make your explanation more helpful.

asvpcurtis

angrybirdstar here is your diagram filled with high level analysis

DelayedResponse

(snort) High level analysis? Anyways, we're getting off topic here. The point was to help temuchan get his/her opening better. And like I said before, the king should only be brought out in the endgame, not the opening.

condude2

angrybirdstar is right, obviously. The king is worth 3 points, yes, but how many times do you have all of your minor pieces in the endgame? The king is best in the endgame, if you want to bring your king out earlier, challenge me, I'm a good 200 pts under you. I'll show you why the king is bad in the opening.

asvpcurtis

LOL i was just messing with you i just wanted to see how long it would take you to realise (apparently too long)

condude2

I thought as much; it was rude though, he was asking for help so you send him astray, nice job...

asvpcurtis
condude2 wrote:

I thought as much; it was rude though, he was asking for help so you send him astray, nice job...

you got to make it sound as bad as possible don't you toots. you should pursue writing you would be good at it. btw thanks.

condude2

How else could I have described it? He asked for help, two people respond, one which gives him advice that is sound, the second, who is 800 points higher, counters the advice with crap that will lose him next to every game... Just sayin'.

DelayedResponse

How do you get points?

mathisfun1

angrybirdstar I think you should look at his rating... I do not think he is likley to bielieve that brining your king out early is beneficial.

condude2

Rating points I meant.

ThrillerFan

Based on Post 13, 2.Nc3 is lame.  If Black is going to play something stupid like 1...a6 (We ain't talking Miles here), grab the center with 2.d4!

2.Nc3 and 3.Bc4 in this line is lame!

You can't just use Nc3 and Bc4 as a "Catch-all" approach.  Bc4 is completely useless unless Black has already played e7-e5, which weakens the a2-g8 diagonal.

DelayedResponse

That's very true.