London isnt exactly played to maximize white's advantage to begin with.
if you want to experiment , you should play 2.bf4 3.e3 and 4.c4 since bf4 helps with holding back a possible e5. another more daring possibility is 2.bf4 nc6!? 3.e3 bf5 4.f3!? allowing for early g4-h4 possibilities
but usually, London players are too mulquetoast in style to play it this way, just stick to your standard system formation.
How best to play London system versus early Nc6?


Thanks for your input.
4. f3, followed by g4, h4 possibilities is exactly what Simon recommends (in his Jobava variation) if black plays bf5.
For the time being, however, I am meeting 3.e bf5 with Nd2, followed by, c3, Qb3.
I'm surprised by your milquetoast characterisation, because the thing I like about the London System, as Simon teaches it, is the blitztkerig unleashed on the King's side, very early in game (and/or the queen's side, depending on black's play). The Jobava variation is even more full one.
If there is a more aggressive opening, then do let me know.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply. If I can get to 1400, I'll be a happy man!
Gary

Sorry bit off topic just wanted to reffer to: "If I can get to 1400, I'll be a happy man!".
No you will not , then you will be aiming for more and more - true limit for people who did not start chess as kids is ELO 2000 (I heard it from one GM) and thats true goal
I also started playing London system after watching several times Ginger GM - hes great and encouraged me to just focus on London.
Seb

Sorry bit off topic just wanted to reffer to: "If I can get to 1400, I'll be a happy man!".
No you will not , then you will be aiming for more and more - true limit for people who did not start chess as kids is ELO 2000 (I heard it from one GM) and thats true goal
I also started playing London system after watching several times Ginger GM - hes great and encouraged me to just focus on London.
Seb
This is not an iron-clad rule. GM Mihai Suba for example only began playing chess at 19 and he was 2460 by 27. Granted he is an astronomically rare example.

If black prevents himself from playing the critical c5 break then he's just limiting his own play in the center. e5 is now the only pawn break left in the position for black and white can clamp down on that pretty decisively with the trademark London move Bf4 and the added nf3.
Playing nc6 that early isn't very precise. It's fine, but the black queen's scope is severely limited, making moves like qb6 (I play this vs the London myself) impossible. You followed up correctly with e3, although nf3 is also a possibility there (You'd be playing e3 on the next move anyway, though)
Your thought to play Bb5 was ok, but after 4. nf3 e6 5. Bb5 Bd6 6. ne5 ne7 White doesn't really have anything after black just castles out of the pin
Black developing his light squared bishop that early is ok but committal. Moves like qb3 could be on the cards. White should probably move the c pawn to c4 and turn it into a Queen's Gambit position, and after 4. c4 e6 5. nc3 nf6 6. rc1 I like white's position

And Imo the Jobava London isn't very similar to the regular London at all. A better comparison to the Jobava London is the Richter-Veresov Attack (1. d4 d5 2. nc3 nf6 3. Bg5), which employs the same sort of f3 g4 h4 pawn storm idea but the Bishop is on g5 rather than f4.

Thanks for your input.
4. f3, followed by g4, h4 possibilities is exactly what Simon recommends (in his Jobava variation) if black plays bf5.
For the time being, however, I am meeting 3.e bf5 with Nd2, followed by, c3, Qb3.
I'm surprised by your milquetoast characterisation, because the thing I like about the London System, as Simon teaches it, is the blitztkerig unleashed on the King's side, very early in game (and/or the queen's side, depending on black's play). The Jobava variation is even more full one.
If there is a more aggressive opening, then do let me know.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply. If I can get to 1400, I'll be a happy man!
Gary
I'm a fan of those kinds of kingside attacks in quiet D4 lines but the London isn't very easy to execute it with. In my experience, the bishop on f4 just gets in the way of white's kingside pawns. If you really like those, consider switching to the Jobava London, the Veresov attack, or the Colle-Zukertort Attack (Which is what I play)
For context, I am a the beginning of my chess journey and have just reached 1100, playing 15/10.
While I am trying to improve, I am focusing on the London System, as white, based on Simon Williams video series on this site. I know he has another, more recent series on his own website of what he calls the Jobava London System (JLS) , but I think I should be able to play the “classic” London System before getting too fancy fancy.
Based on what Simon teaches, I understand that the the main line for black is to play c5 early on, but what I am seeing a lot of is Nc6, blocking c5 and I’m not sure the best way to exploit this.
For example, versus a player ranked 1260, it went
1. d4 d5
2. Bf4 Nc6
So I defended the pawn in the standard way, with e4, which has the benefit of opening the diagonal for the light-squared bishop.
3. e3 Nc6
The alternative would have been c3 or Nc3 the latter of which is what Simon now recommends with the JLS or when black plays g6.
The game proceeded in a fairly standard way
4. c3 Bf5
…and as it turned out, I went on to win the game with a Kings side attack, much along the lines that Simon recommends.
However, I am wondering whether I am missing an opportunity somehow when black plays Nc6, preventing c5?
Would I have been better off with the JLS line, hoping for an opportunity to get the Knight to b5 and then playing c3? But then that may never happen and c3 allows my Queen freedom to attack the queens side of black mobilises both bishops!
I had thought about pinning the knight with Bb5 but I’m not sure it gives me much, especially if kicked away by a6.
Any thoughts or links would be really helpful.
Thanks
Gary