ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
So you're saying that you would beat Fischer on the white side of a KG? Because that's what it sounds like... :-)
Well the fact is Fischer never played Fischer Defense in a serious game.
How can I fight King's Gambit as Black
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baronspam wrote:
I think the best thing to do is decline the King's Gambit. While perhaps not strictly the strongest objective response, it has the psycological advantage of ruining white's fun and denying him his wild attacks and sacrifices. The limited opening book I have suggest both the 2. . Nf6 line above, as well as 2 Bc5. There is a trap here, in that if white gets overexcited and playes 3 fxe5 you get 3 . . Qh4+ 4 g3 Qxe4+ 5 Qe2 Qxh1
Yes KGD would be very nice if the White played 3. fxe5 but you will not get that often. Instead, the White will just develop, castle and then push f5 with a clamp on the kingside, and they will most likely get that attack anyway just without giving up a pawn and without allowing the opportunities for counter-play that the Black has in the Accepted.
Atos wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
So you're saying that you would beat Fischer on the white side of a KG? Because that's what it sounds like... :-)
Well the fact is Fischer never played Fischer defense in a serious game.
I don't suppose Spassky was brave enough to play the King's Gambit against Fischer twice in one lifetime.
How about Fischer's variation!!!!! with the "high class waiting move d6" then g5 holding onto the pawn
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
Atos wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
So you're saying that you would beat Fischer on the white side of a KG? Because that's what it sounds like... :-)
Well the fact is Fischer never played Fischer defense in a serious game.
I don't suppose Spassky was brave enough to play the King's Gambit against Fischer twice in one lifetime.
Spassky's opening repertoire was odd at Reykjavik. Not playing KG in a WC match would be understandable, but also he didn't play much of 1. d4 even though he had good results with it against Fischer previously. He didn't play either the French or the Caro Kann which were known to be Fischer's less strong sides. He tried to outplay Fischer in his own openings, especially the Sicilian in which he did reasonably well, and to some extent the Ruy Lopez. However, he didn't count on the opening surprises, the use of the English especially, and in a crucial game of Alekhine's , that came from Fischer's side.
p.s. Actually Fischer never played 1. ...e5 at Reykjavik so we don't know if Spassky would have used the King's Gambit there.
Fischer Variation is too cramped for Black in my opinion as d5 is a good freeing move in the king's gambit. Better is 3...g5 or 3...d5 right away, and black gets a good game.
EDIT: But not 2...d5!
you can make a lot of opening traps with e4
reflecting on this post, I still defend the Petroff from time to time, then I stumbled upon this move order
Is this ok to fight the King's Gambit as Black?
opticnerve wrote:
reflecting on this post, I still defend the Petroff from time to time, then I stumbled upon this move order
Is this ok to fight the King's Gambit as Black?
Yes, a very good way to combat the King's Gambit. It's called the Modern Defence and I always struggle against it.
May 21, 2014
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#31
I just came across this interesting discussion and I always preferred playing the modern defence where black hits out straight away on white's "weak" pawn on e4 with 3..d5. Play can be a bit sharp especially if you recapture back on d5 and your Queen can be a source of target but otherwise black has easy development and the ideas are pretty straight forward, I often play the tricky line where you maneuver your Queen to h6 where it is tucked away protecting the extra pawn on f4 and I have won a lot of online games with this line.
May 21, 2014
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#32
I think instead of 3. D5 3. Be2 is better. It was played in several GM games
May 21, 2014
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#33
maxa1000000 wrote:
I think instead of 3. D5 3. Be2 is better. It was played in several GM games
3..d5 is the 3rd move for black
ReLentLess5150 wrote:
I love playing the Kings Gambit so it kills me to reveal what can work against it. None of your examples work very well. The first one ruins your ability to castle, and is some cases, it continues 4. bc4 g4 5. 0-0 gxf3 6. qxf6. Here, white sacs the knight to focus ALL of his power on f7!!! Plus, by moving that pawn two to three times, you've neglected your development. That's what gambits are all about, tempting your opponent with material so he will ignore developing his forces. Your second example can lead to trouble as well: 4. bc4 nc6 5. nc3 exf4 6. d4 nxd4 7. ne5!? bxd1? 8. bxf7+!! ke7 9.nd5# I believe it's call LaSalles Mate... or something like that.
One common weapon is the Faulbeer Counter-Gambit...look that up, it'll help you combat the King Gambit.
Look me up, I'll be glad to explore the opening with you.
Good Luck!
It is called Legal's Mate and is usually played against the Philidor Defense. The funny thing is, Legal was Philidor's chess tutor! Looking up the Faulbeer Counter now!
Gianutio Counter Gambit! 1.e4 1.e5 2.f4 2.exf4 3. Nf3 3.f5!?
McShadowJHG wrote:
ReLentLess5150 wrote:
I love playing the Kings Gambit so it kills me to reveal what can work against it. None of your examples work very well. The first one ruins your ability to castle, and is some cases, it continues 4. bc4 g4 5. 0-0 gxf3 6. qxf6. Here, white sacs the knight to focus ALL of his power on f7!!! Plus, by moving that pawn two to three times, you've neglected your development. That's what gambits are all about, tempting your opponent with material so he will ignore developing his forces. Your second example can lead to trouble as well: 4. bc4 nc6 5. nc3 exf4 6. d4 nxd4 7. ne5!? bxd1? 8. bxf7+!! ke7 9.nd5# I believe it's call LaSalles Mate... or something like that.
One common weapon is the Faulbeer Counter-Gambit...look that up, it'll help you combat the King Gambit.
Look me up, I'll be glad to explore the opening with you.
Good Luck!
It is called Legal's Mate and is usually played against the Philidor Defense. The funny thing is, Legal was Philidor's chess tutor! Looking up the Faulbeer Counter now!
I love the Falkbeer. I play it every chance I get. It's not for the OP though. Petrof players prefer Chinese checkers to chess and don't have the stomach for a real chess game. The Modern is more his speed.
May 8, 2017
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#38
The Cunningham Gambit (1.e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Be7) with Nf6 instead of the nutty Bishop check.
Try the Adelaide Counter Gambit(1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6 3.Nf3 f5) If 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 then after 5. fxe5 Qh5+ black will get the pawn on e4.
what is right?