How can you counter the Nimzo-Indian?

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I usually play the exchange variation. Therorists have tried to crackthe position, but I feel like this is the strongest as you mess up white's pawn structure.

 

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HeathSpiresII wrote:

I usually play the exchange variation. Therorists have tried to crackthe position, but I feel like this is the strongest as you mess up white's pawn structure.

 

 

What moron is going to give you two pieces for the Bishop?  5.bxc3

 

And there is no "Exchange" variation in the Nimzo-Indian.  4.a3 is the Saemisch Variation.

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HeathSpiresII wrote:

I usually play the exchange variation. Therorists have tried to crackthe position, but I feel like this is the strongest as you mess up white's pawn structure.

 

This makes me cringe.

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"I usually play the exchange variation. Therorists have tried to crackthe position, but I feel like this is the strongest as you mess up white's pawn structure."

This is why I love Chess.com! You can't get great theory like this just any where!

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1. d4  Nf6  2. c4  e6  3. Nc3  Bb4 4. f3 is interesting.  Of course not 4. a3?

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Laskersnephew wrote:

"I usually play the exchange variation. Therorists have tried to crackthe position, but I feel like this is the strongest as you mess up white's pawn structure."

This is why I love Chess.com! You can't get great theory like this just any where!

That alone is well worth $99 a year.

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Actually, the 4.a3 and 4.f3 lines often transpose. There are lots of good lines to play against the Nimzo, all of which can give a rich, complicated game. Unfortunately, none of them guarantee an advantage

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if you play the 4. f3 line correctly it will never transpose into 4. a3?

There is no guarantee an advantage in any sound opening as chess, itself, is a draw with best or correct play.

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ponz111 wrote:

if you play the 4. f3 line correctly it will never transpose into 4. a3?

There is no guarantee an advantage in any sound opening as chess, itself, is a draw with best or correct play.

Isn't 4.f3 what Anand played in his WC match against Gelfand, or was it Topo?

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ThrillerFan wrote:
HeathSpiresII wrote:

I usually play the exchange variation. Therorists have tried to crackthe position, but I feel like this is the strongest as you mess up white's pawn structure.

 

 

What moron is going to give you two pieces for the Bishop?  5.bxc3

 

And there is no "Exchange" variation in the Nimzo-Indian.  4.a3 is the Saemisch Variation.

The PGN was wrong.

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I knew a chap called Graham who at one time was the best blind player in the World. We belonged to the same chess club. He used to play an immediate Bd2 which also gets black out of book as well as keeping life simple. Personally I play e3 and attempt to attack on the kingside. I often play e3 and then a delayed Samisch (a3).

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There is absolutely no virtue for black in playing Bxc3 after e3 because then white has a Samisch a move up.

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I suppose the problem for white after 4. f3 is that ...d5 is clearly the correct response.

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ponz111 schreef:

There is no guarantee an advantage in any sound opening as chess, itself, is a draw with best or correct play.

Well, i guess we can all stop searching for the truth. @ponz111 just figured it out. Somebody call the newspapers.

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Spelenderwijs wrote:
ponz111 schreef:

There is no guarantee an advantage in any sound opening as chess, itself, is a draw with best or correct play.

Well, i guess we can all stop searching for the truth. @ponz111 just figured it out. Somebody call the newspapers.

 

His answer is the most correct. Nc3 players play to win on time in blitz....they could care less about advantage.

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ponz111 wrote:

if you play the 4. f3 line correctly it will never transpose into 4. a3?

There is no guarantee an advantage in any sound opening as chess, itself, is a draw with best or correct play.

4. f3 0-0 5. a3 is probably the best move tbh, so I don't agree with the first statement.

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Also 4. f3 d5 is not a "problem" for white per se. I think 4...d5, 4...c5, and 4...0-0 are all about equally strong. I am sure black is alright in each, as he is in all of the Nimzo and in chess. 

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dpnorman wrote:

Also 4. f3 d5 is not a "problem" for white per se. I think 4...d5, 4...c5, and 4...0-0 are all about equally strong. I am sure black is alright in each, as he is in all of the Nimzo and in chess. 

 

And here I thought Ragozin was d5...Maybe it has two names. One for Monday,Wednesday,Friday and the other for the other days. Hehehe, but everyone continue as usual....Im sure it will be very useful to a 600 rated person.

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I only tried it in a few games OTB many years ago. I liked the idea of playing vs white's doubled pawns, but was annoyed with 3.Nf3 Bb4+ 4.Bd2 lines.

Since I don't play the opening from either side I basically know nothing about it though. What do Nimzo players play against 3.Nf3 these days?

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nighteyes1234 schreef:
Spelenderwijs wrote:
ponz111 schreef:

There is no guarantee an advantage in any sound opening as chess, itself, is a draw with best or correct play.

Well, i guess we can all stop searching for the truth. @ponz111 just figured it out. Somebody call the newspapers.

 

His answer is the most correct. Nc3 players play to win on time in blitz....they could care less about advantage.

What does my comment have to do with Nc3 players? I'm talking about the fact that @ponz111 claims chess (the game itself) is a draw with best or correct play.