How do you Counter attack the fried liver To prevent bxf7+?

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Fisikhad
This fustrates me every time.My friend always play this and won all over and can’t find a counter attack.pls help me
ThrillerFan

It is simple!  DO NOT ALLOW THE FRIED LIVER!  I still to this day why so many idiots take the pawn!

 

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5?! d5 5.exd5 Na5! (NOT 5...Nxd5????, allowing the Fried Liver).

 

White has nothing!

Marcyful

You can play the Giuoco Piano instead of Two Knights.

 

Playing 3. Bc5 instead of 3. Nf6 disallows white to play 4. Ng5 in an attempt to play the Fried Liver because there is no knight blocking the queen from taking it. Or you could go with Thriller's solution and counterattack white's attempt to play the Fried Liver with 4.d5 followed by 5.Na5.

Fisikhad
Thanks for the 3 first people who responded to my forum!I finally defeated him and he rematched 3 times and he tried his fried liver 3 times and still lost,we haven’t played a chess match together ever since
Marcyful
Fisikhad wrote:
Thanks for the 3 first people who responded to my forum!I finally defeated him and he rematched 3 times and he tried his fried liver 3 times and still lost,we haven’t played a chess match together ever since

That's what he gets for playing one trick openings and not knowing anything else.

Fisikhad
How can u quote?
Fisikhad
Update:So i tried a really foolish gambit and won against him.I rematched him and he said that his fried liver is “refined to its perfect potential” so we did.I tried a so called “my gambit” where i sacrificed a knight to threat checkmate if i move my queen to f6.Ironically,he tried Nxf7,which is weird.I pulled out my gambit and took my rook being greedy in terms of material.So i checkmated him with Qxf2#.He turned so silent in 4 minutes staring at the board.He slowly cried so i said “sorry…lol”.He said that he will do an “intensive” training and don’t want to rematch in 2 straight months.The game goes like this:1.)e4 e5 2.)Nf3 Nc6 3.)Bc4 Nxe4 4.)Nxf7 Qf6 5.)Nxh8 Qxf2#
boddythepoddy

Siebert Tarrasch named the Ng5 move in the 2 knight defense (Fried liver) "Ein richtige Stumperzug". Roughly translated, it's ugly.

I never play it as white, but face it almost every time I choose the two knights defense in the Italian game.

Don't sweat, it is not as scary as it looks. After Ng5 you can simply play d5, which is a positional sacrifice of the d-pawn.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 (Dem Stumperzug) d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6. In the following move white often blunders with 8.Ba4. More popular now is 8.Qf3!.

But you don't sweat it. 2 moves are good here. The engine prefers 8..Be7 more than 8..Rb8, which is a book move that's playable. Again a sacrifice but you are ahead in development.

After 8..Be7 9.Bxc6+ Nxc6 10.Qxc6+ Bd7 (To guard the Rook on a8), play may continue:

11.Qf3 0-0 12.0-0

The position then looks like this:

Black to move, and black is O.K. happy.png

I recommend 12..Ng4 with the intention of Nxf2 winning a pawn back when you trade on g5.

Marcyful
Fisikhad wrote:
Update:So i tried a really foolish gambit and won against him.I rematched him and he said that his fried liver is “refined to its perfect potential” so we did.I tried a so called “my gambit” where i sacrificed a knight to threat checkmate if i move my queen to f6.Ironically,he tried Nxf7,which is weird.I pulled out my gambit and took my rook being greedy in terms of material.So i checkmated him with Qxf2#.He turned so silent in 4 minutes staring at the board.He slowly cried so i said “sorry…lol”.He said that he will do an “intensive” training and don’t want to rematch in 2 straight months.The game goes like this:1.)e4 e5 2.)Nf3 Nc6 3.)Bc4 Nxe4 4.)Nxf7 Qf6 5.)Nxh8 Qxf2#

The line is invalid. You sure you got the notations right?

Fisikhad
Oh sorry for the misunderstanding
Heres the correct notations:1.)e4 e5 2.)Nf3 Nc6 3.)Bc4 Nf6 4.)Ng5 Nxe4 5.)Nxf7 Qf6 6.)Nxh8 Qxf2#
Fisikhad
Its the first time i notate a game
boddythepoddy

4..Nxe4 is just met with 5.Nxe4!!

4..Nxe4 is a blunder. It blunders the knight. You don't need to take on f7 at all on move 5.

In your variation black mates white on f2 only because white blundered because they took on f7. Terrible. The truth hurts.

 

technical_knockout

1...c6

RobertJames_Fisher

traxler!!!! learn it and let them play fried liver and they are FRIED!!!!!!!!

PineappleMcPineapple

I would suggest a few things, 1. the fritz variation of the knight attack, 2. the traxler counterattack, 3. the polerio defense, after they take with their pawn, move your knight to a6 i believe, attacking their bishop

catmaster0
wormsurfer wrote:

you can just play h6



But I recommend this line...

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Or if you are an attacking player, consider the Traxler variation, look it up.

You may want to edit your post. Doesn't even matter with what, it will show the boards. H6 is a pretty weak move though. When Bc5 is a developing move that already shuts down the idea just as safely it kills the only things h6 ever had going for it, being a beginner friendly prevention tool. But since Bc5 is just as straightforward and gets a piece out so it covers the opening principles, that just makes it better at that job.

catmaster0
Fisikhad wrote:
How can u quote?

There's a quote button at the top right of any of our posts.

catmaster0
Fisikhad wrote:
Oh sorry for the misunderstanding
Heres the correct notations:1.)e4 e5 2.)Nf3 Nc6 3.)Bc4 Nf6 4.)Ng5 Nxe4 5.)Nxf7 Qf6 6.)Nxh8 Qxf2#
There are still things you have to keep an eye out for here.
 

 



catmaster0
boddythepoddy wrote:

4..Nxe4 is just met with 5.Nxe4!!

4..Nxe4 is a blunder. It blunders the knight. You don't need to take on f7 at all on move 5.

In your variation black mates white on f2 only because white blundered because they took on f7. Terrible. The truth hurts.

And you just fell for the trap. Yes, white had to take on f7, just with the bishop instead of the knight.
 

 



catmaster0
Marcyful wrote:

You can play the Giuoco Piano instead of Two Knights.

 

Playing 3. Bc5 instead of 3. Nf6 disallows white to play 4. Ng5 in an attempt to play the Fried Liver because there is no knight blocking the queen from taking it. Or you could go with Thriller's solution and counterattack white's attempt to play the Fried Liver with 4.d5 followed by 5.Na5.

3. Bc5 is my preferred answer. One intuitive developing move and it turns off the entire Fried Liver idea without any risks.