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Hello

Playing as black, many people open with e4:e5 , Bc4:Nf6 , then Qh5 or Qf3 for mate on g7.

Can anybody give me some ideas on how to counteract this mate please? It pins the Knight on f6.

Any help would be appreciated, thankyou friends!

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You should try Qe7. 

It blocks the bishop, but you can do a "fiancheto" playing g6 later and, if the White Queen is still in h5, g6 also is good for tempo.

But the mate threat is in f7, not g7!

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Nxh5 seems sufficient in the move order you posted...

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II-Oliveira wrote:

You should try Qe7. 

It blocks the bishop, but you can do a "fiancheto" playing g6 later and, if the White Queen is still in h5, g6 also is good for tempo.

But the mate threat is in f7, not g7!


 Sorry, typing error! ;-)

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Feinster wrote:

Nxh5 seems sufficient in the move order you posted...


 Haha! Queen is usually on h5 in this situation!

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Lampman wrote:
Feinster wrote:

Nxh5 seems sufficient in the move order you posted...


 Haha! Queen is usually on h5 in this situation!


 Exactly. You take the queen and at the same time avert the mate threat. An excellent multi-purpose move.

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If 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5, a safe bet is 2. ... Nc6 3. Bc4 g6. Supposedly, gambiting the e-pawn with 2. ... Nf6 is viable, though I've never bothered trying it myself and can't speak to its effectiveness.

If 1. e4 e5 2. Qf3, 2. ... Nc6 or Nf6, and there's nothing actually pressing because Nf6 on move 2 or 3 blocks the mate and it doesn't matter if it's 'pinned to f7', it doesn't have to move for a while and you'll have plenty of time to cover f7.

If 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nc6 3. Qh5 g6 transposes to the first line above, which is fine.

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For any reason I imaginated Nc6 instead of Nf6, so Nxh5 was not an option.

Perhaps I did it because of a Pahram Attack situation that is close to this:

1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4

that results in the same position of the moves you said, if Nf6 is changed for Nc6.

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While I was writing "Absurd" wrote about the Parham attack too.

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Feinster wrote:
Lampman wrote:
Feinster wrote:

Nxh5 seems sufficient in the move order you posted...


 Haha! Queen is usually on h5 in this situation!


 Exactly. You take the queen and at the same time avert the mate threat. An excellent multi-purpose move.


 And if queen is on f3?

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II-Oliveira wrote:

For any reason I imaginated Nc6 instead of Nf6, so Nxh5 was not an option.

Perhaps I did it because of a Pahram Attack situation that is close to this:

1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4

that results in the same position of the moves you said, if Nf6 is changed for Nc6.


 So what is black's next move, to avoid the mate?

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Lampman wrote:
II-Oliveira wrote:

For any reason I imaginated Nc6 instead of Nf6, so Nxh5 was not an option.

Perhaps I did it because of a Pahram Attack situation that is close to this:

1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4

that results in the same position of the moves you said, if Nf6 is changed for Nc6.


 So what is black's next move, to avoid the mate?


g6 or Nh6 or Qe7

If g6 then the Q usualy drops back to f3 still with the mate threat so next is usualy Nf6

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White's idea to attack with undevelopped pieces is questionable and the attack easily refuted. Here is an imaginary example.

 

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Lampman wrote:

Hello

Playing as black, many people open with e4:e5 , Bc4:Nf6 , then Qh5 or Qf3 for mate on g7.

Can anybody give me some ideas on how to counteract this mate please? It pins the Knight on f6.

Any help would be appreciated, thankyou friends!


 I must be reading this wrong or otherwise misunderstanding... This is not a mate threat at all.

1. e4 e5, 2. Bc4 Nf6, 3. Qf3 is no threat of mate on f7 because the knight is blocking the path of the queen's attack!

1. e4 e5, 2. Bc4 Nf6, 3. Qh5 (absurd) fails to 3...Nxh5!

I am not seeing a mate threat at all here. For the record, I also don't see a pin on the f6 knight, except for the fact that it is guarding against the mating square after 3. Qf3. Technically that's a pin, but it's nothing to worry about at all. Just develop and punish White for his early use of the queen. Maybe 3...d6 with the idea 4...Bg4. You might also try 3...Nc6.

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 1. e4 e5, 2. Bc4 Nf6, 3. Qh5 (absurd) fails to 3...Nxh5!

Actually, that's not a line I suggested at all, look more carefully.

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Absurd wrote:
 1. e4 e5, 2. Bc4 Nf6, 3. Qh5 (absurd) fails to 3...Nxh5!

Actually, that's not a line I suggested at all, look more carefully.


Sorry to cause confusion. I had not looked at any of the posters' names before I wrote.

I did not mean to imply that "Absurd" the chess.com member had suggested that move. I meant it as an adjective, as in: the move itself is absurd.

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This username continues to surprise me in myriad ways. Move right along. Tongue out

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Lol