Not if they play 2...dxc4. So, I am looking for something else if 1...d5.
How good is the Torre Attack?
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May 29, 2018
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#3
As one that played the Torre and Colle as recent as 3 months ago, I can safely tell you that 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg5 is no good for White because of 3...Ne4!
The Torre is ineffective against early d5 systems (i.e. 1...d5/2...e6, 1...d5/2...c6, 1...d5/2...Nf6, etc). It is useful against 1...Nf6/2...e6 and 1...Nf6/2...g6 defenses.
Against 1...d5, the Colle is better. The Koltanowski will suit positional players and the Zukertort will suit the tactician.
Don't just try to jump ship to the Colle against everything. It is only effective against lines with an early ...e6. 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.e3 is useless. Play the Torre instead. 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Bg4 (or Bf5) and White needs to play 4.c4 now rather than c3 or some other corny move. After 4...c6, you are in a Slav.
May 29, 2018
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#4
PuzzlingManeuvers wrote:
I am trying get some Nimzo Indian practice, but if my opponent doesn't oblige and plays 1...d5 I am trying to find another choice go with.
At your level its fine.
May 29, 2018
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ThrillerFan wrote:
As one that played the Torre and Colle as recent as 3 months ago, I can safely tell you that 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg5 is no good for White because of 3...Ne4!
The Torre is ineffective against early d5 systems (i.e. 1...d5/2...e6, 1...d5/2...c6, 1...d5/2...Nf6, etc). It is useful against 1...Nf6/2...e6 and 1...Nf6/2...g6 defenses.
Against 1...d5, the Colle is better. The Koltanowski will suit positional players and the Zukertort will suit the tactician.
Don't just try to jump ship to the Colle against everything. It is only effective against lines with an early ...e6. 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.e3 is useless. Play the Torre instead. 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Bg4 (or Bf5) and White needs to play 4.c4 now rather than c3 or some other corny move. After 4...c6, you are in a Slav.
Yes, I see the problem with 3...Ne4. So, what if white plays 2. Nc3, and if black plays 2...Nf6, then Bg5. If black plays Ne4, then it is like the Bird variation of the Ruy Lopez.
May 29, 2018
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PuzzlingManeuvers wrote:
Yes, I see the problem with 3...Ne4. So, what if white plays 2. Nc3, and if black plays 2...Nf6, then Bg5. If black plays Ne4, then it is like the Bird variation of the Ruy Lopez.
That's a Veresov, and fairly nice one at that. After 4.Nxe4 dx4, White has pleasant choice between the aggressive 5.f3 or the more solid choices 5.e3 or 5.c3.
May 29, 2018
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Lee-44 wrote:
PuzzlingManeuvers wrote:
Yes, I see the problem with 3...Ne4. So, what if white plays 2. Nc3, and if black plays 2...Nf6, then Bg5. If black plays Ne4, then it is like the Bird variation of the Ruy Lopez.
That's a Veresov, and fairly nice one at that. After 4.Nxe4 dx4, White has pleasant choice between the aggressive 5.f3 or the more solid choices 5.e3 or 5.c3.
Yea, I know. It's weird how all these openings weave together. I first heard about the Nimzo Indian, never bothered to play or follow GM games with it. Then, I saw the Trompowsky being played and in commentary Veresov would come up. I never connected them until now with the QGD/QGA lines until looking into the Nimzo Indian more. You also have the Catalan which Aronian played yesterday.
Has anyone ranked these openings in order of study levels? I see books on specific openings, but was wondering if they have a study series taking one opening a beginner would use, then introducing a more intermediate opening/game, and show a more advanced one to illustrate the differences.
May 29, 2018
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#8
mickynj wrote:
It's as good as anything else. It really doesn't matter which of a dozen or so mainstream openings you play
I am asking more in regards to learning, if different. If you are learning chess, is there a leveled order vs. just playing an opening you think your opponent will not do as well in for play?
May 29, 2018
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PuzzlingManeuvers wrote:
mickynj wrote:
It's as good as anything else. It really doesn't matter which of a dozen or so mainstream openings you play
I am asking more in regards to learning, if different. If you are learning chess, is there a leveled order vs. just playing an opening you think your opponent will not do as well in for play?
Its easier to learn (less theory) than 1.e4 openings.
May 29, 2018
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#10
It a good choice for club players, there are a few decent books on it, most aimed at that audience. Is not too difficult to learn, and can be good especially when black is unprepaered
I am trying get some Nimzo Indian practice, but if my opponent doesn't oblige and plays 1...d5 I am trying to find another choice go with.