How to answer Qe7 on the Vienna gambit

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After 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.f4 exf4 4.e5 in the Vienna, how should I answer Qe7?

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4. qe7 should just be losing for black I think

Just unpin with the queen and black has to move the knight back anyway

And here's a trap happy.png

 

 

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that is a good trap

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Introduction To The Vienna Game & Gambit...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/introduction-to-the-vienna-game-gambit

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DasBurner wrote:

4. qe7 should just be losing for black I think

 

Just unpin with the queen and black has to move the knight back anyway

And here's a trap

 

 

 

Thank u! This is very late message after a long time. But I'm happy that I this found here and after Qe7 Yes It is Ofc losing for black because the gambit accepting as a whole is losing

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DasBurner wrote:

4. qe7 should just be losing for black I think

 

Just unpin with the queen and black has to move the knight back anyway

And here's a trap

Don't you need to defend against Qh4 check first, perhaps with Nf3?

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youcai wrote:
DasBurner wrote:

4. qe7 should just be losing for black I think

 

Just unpin with the queen and black has to move the knight back anyway

And here's a trap

Don't you need to defend against Qh4 check first, perhaps with Nf3?

the black knight is blocking the queen for the check as you can see from the moves above when the knight is not retreived and instead played4. ... Qe7

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Supernakke wrote:
youcai wrote:
DasBurner wrote:

4. qe7 should just be losing for black I think

 

Just unpin with the queen and black has to move the knight back anyway

And here's a trap

Don't you need to defend against Qh4 check first, perhaps with Nf3?

the black knight is blocking the queen for the check as you can see from the moves above when the knight is not retreived and instead played4. ... Qe7

Thanks, but I'm referring to after the knight has retreated in the trap version above - this opens up the path for the queen to check. So on move 7 it's possible for black to give a check rather than moving to d8.

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youcai wrote:

Thanks, but I'm referring to after the knight has retreated in the trap version above - this opens up the path for the queen to check. So on move 7 it's possible for black to give a check rather than moving to d8.

...Qe7-h4+ leads to an even deeper trap.

 

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yetanotheraoc wrote:
youcai wrote:

Thanks, but I'm referring to after the knight has retreated in the trap version above - this opens up the path for the queen to check. So on move 7 it's possible for black to give a check rather than moving to d8.

...Qe7-h4+ leads to an even deeper trap.

 

Thanks for this. I'm a regular Vienna Gambit player, and win a lot of games against 4...Qe7, but I've always thought it necessary to play 6.Nf3. Looking at your line, I wondered what to do after 6.d4 Qh4+ but had a look with an engine, and I see that 7.Qf7 is strong, forcing the exchange of queens and leaving White with a dominant position.