How to Beat the Skandi?

jsmith09

I hate playing White against the Scandinavian Defense (1.e4 d5).  Can anyone share their favorite lines against either the 2...Qxd5 or 2...Nf6 lines?  Many thanks!

RetiFan
Fear_ItseIf

what reti posted the transposition to the blackmar diemer gambit (usually d4 d5 e4) is a fun way of meeting it, however.to play well at a decent level you must know a lot of lines, since accurate play is needed to gain compensation for the pawn.

Expertise87

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.b4!? Qxb4 5.Rb1 Qd6(best, for other moves see my thread on the topic) leads to interesting play where White has compensation for the pawn, while 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 6.Bc4 Bg4 7.h3 Bh5 8.g4 Bg6 9.Ne5 is a nice way to get an advantage.

3...Qd6 is well enough met by developing your pieces, including g2-g3 and Bc1-f4.

2...Nf6 3.c4 c6 (3...e6? is a blunder, after 4.dxe6 Black doesn't have enough for the pawn) 4.d4! cxd5 5.Nc3 is a Panov-Botvinnik which is fun to play for White.

AnthonyCG

I just follow this guy:

I meet 2...Nf6 with 3.c4 and now 3...e6/c6 4.d4 transposing into the Panov-Botvinnik and French exchange since I use those anyway.

VanillaKnightPOC

1. e4? d5?? 2. d4??! e6!! 0-1

ponz111

After 1. e4  d5  2. exd5  Qxd5  3. Nc3  Qa5  4. d4  Nf6 [the correct move]

5. Nf3  c6  6. Ne5   Be6 is the correct idea.  In the world championship match mentioned Black actually had an opening advantage and made mistakes later on to lose to Kasparov.

Many of the lines in the video are nullified by 6. ... Be6

ponz111

After  4. d4  Nf6 5. Nf3  c6  6. Bc4  then Bg4 is a mistake.  Black should

play 6. ... Bf5

VanillaKnightPOC

unsecure?

AnthonyCG
ponz111 wrote:

After 1. e4  d5  2. exd5  Qxd5  3. Nc3  Qa5  4. d4  Nf6 [the correct move]

5. Nf3  c6  6. Ne5   Be6 is the correct idea.  In the world championship match mentioned Black actually had an opening advantage and made mistakes later on to lose to Kasparov.

Many of the lines in the video are nullified by 6. ... Be6

That is interesting because it looks like one of those positions from Alekhine's defence.



Fear_ItseIf
VanillaKnightPOC wrote:

1. e4? d5?? 2. d4??! e6!! 0-1

so hes transposed into the french defense, which as white is something he will practice regularly, while the scandinavian player probably doesnt get much practice with the french from the black side(already playing 1..d5 against 1.e4).

Its a moral victory or white, same goes or 2.c6 

VanillaKnightPOC

What? Everyone knows the French is a forced win for black.

AnthonyCG
VanillaKnightPOC wrote:

What? Everyone knows the French is a forced win for black.

After 1.e4 e6 2.Ke2! Black's opening choice is questionable.

jsmith09

Thanks for the feedback, this is a great community.  Helpful stuff.  I'm not sure about the Bongcloud, though.  :)

Here's a link about the "busting" of the 2.Qd5 line.  What do you think?

http://meralcochess.blogspot.com/2008/12/chess-piece-scandinavian-secrets.html

waffllemaster
coneheadzombie wrote:
 

i love this line for white

You may think that's funny, but I've had this position as black at least a dozen times online and at least once at the chess club Laughing

DrCheckevertim
VanillaKnightPOC wrote:

1. e4? d5?? 2. d4??! e6!! 0-1

 

.....lmao

ponz111

The link busting the 2. ...Qxd5 line is flawed as it does not give the best moves for Black.  after 3. Nc3  Qa5  4. d4  Black should not play c6

instead Nf6 is the correct move.  In general Black should play c6 as a response to White's Bd2. 

So in the line given if 3. Nc3  Qa5  4. d4  Nf6  5. Bc4 then Bg4 changes the whole game.

DrCheckevertim

ahh the bobby kasparov defense

AnthonyCG

The Ne5 plan is also ok against the Qd6 Scandi:

-waller-

wafflemaster, I will bet you for every time you've had 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.b3?? I've had 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qc6?? Cool