How to counter the Italian Opening?

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Hi everyone!
I’d like to ask for your experience on how to counter the Italian Opening. If you have any strategies, tips, or exercises to effectively deal with this opening, please share!
I find the Italian Opening very popular and it puts a lot of pressure early in the game, so I want to learn effective ways to counter it.
Looking forward to your insights and discussions so we can all improve!
Thanks a lot, guys!

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I just do 2 knights.
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Basically the plans are the same for white and black: c3/c6, Bg5/Bg4, Be6/Be3... I'm sure sometimes white misplays and loses a move and it's like colours reversed. There's no particular idea like opening a file or a pawn break that black should be looking to do, other than the obvious d-pawn which is a central question for both players.

When I look at the statistics I'm doubtful over whether white should be playing the Italian at all, the statistics for the Ruy Lopez for example are far better, this includes adjusting for rating difference between opponents. I think it's this symmetry and lack of convincing plans that cause the Italian difficulty.

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You can't 'counter' the Italian. There's a reason it's used by various Super GM's. Your best choice is to find a good book, guide or course that is written/created by a strong player, that explains the ideas, themes and strategies that both sides are trying to aim for (or to prevent). This is directly aligned with modern opening theory though--this isn't something absurd like "How to counter the Englund Gambit." There really is no sidestep or workaround to studying theory--some people refuse to do this and thus don't improve. But you have to combine this with studying tactics, endgames and positional themes as well.

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Why are you trolling him with a 1 move blunder which can lead to a reverse Legal's Mate? (although that mate is with both knights on d5 and e5).

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6. Bishop g5 knight x e4 , this move is brilliant for black.

7. Bishop x d8 bishop x f2 +

8. King e2 bishop g4 #

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Another counter to Italian is to transpose into a Ruy Lopez game. Most beginners don't study the Ruy Lopez because they were told that it is very theory heavy. But guess what? They need to study Spanish in conjunction with Italian after all!

 
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Check my blog about the Ruy Lopez if you’re interested. The name is my bio. Is it called a bio? That place that is near my pfp when you first click on it.

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Falkentyne wrote: this isn't something absurd like "How to counter the Englund Gambit." 

Hmm. I have an opening that came about naturally, just me following that common advice given about the opening part of the game: play for the center, don't move pieces twice, develope your minor pieces, castle early. For the longest time, I didn't even know what it was called... it's the "London System" as it turns out, except that I usually put the Knight on c3, making it the Jobava London, not that naming it actually helps me much... "noob here", yes.

Anyway, since I was having trouble with 1. d4 e5, the "Englund Gambit", right, as I now know it's called, I thought to ask for advice, a first for me, and @MaetsNori taught me a few lines that worked out well enough that I now look forward to 1. d4 e5.

Honest question: since it does counter the Englund Gambit, why is it 'absurd' to say so?

example:

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LOL.

People talk off the top of their heads a lot is the thing, and want to sound smart.

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Petrov

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GM sarin has a wonderful course called "a tricky repertoire agaisnt the italian", where he recommends 3.d6!? the paris defense (or semi-italian).

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darkunorthodox88 έγραψε:

GM sarin has a wonderful course called "a tricky repertoire agaisnt the italian", where he recommends 3.d6!? the paris defense (or semi-italian).

Νot GM Sarin but rather GM Marin.

The course is HERE.

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pfren wrote:
darkunorthodox88 έγραψε:

GM sarin has a wonderful course called "a tricky repertoire agaisnt the italian", where he recommends 3.d6!? the paris defense (or semi-italian).

Νot GM Sarin but rather GM Marin.

The course is HERE.

lmao oops, thanks for the correction.