How to crush da Sicilian

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Firewal

How do you defeat the Sicilian?

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ThrillerFan
Firewal wrote:

How do you defeat the Sicilian?

 

Carefully, and usually sacrificially!

Firewal

ok thanks 

A-mateur

IMO, you have two choices to improve your games facing the Sicilian:

1.learn the theory of the open Sicilian, and get fine positions with often good attacking chances.

2.learn a sideline (2.Nc3, 2.c3, 2.f4, 2.d4 followed, after cxd4, by 3.c3, 2.Be2, 2.d3, or even 2.b3, etc...) and focus on it. There are often inferior to 2.Nf3 (though some of them can be very dangerous), but your opponent will sometimes have forgotten to learn them (according to my personal experience : I met 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Cc6?! more than once! (2...d5 or 2...Cf6 are largely better than 2...Cc6)), and if you simply want to play chess with some attacking chances, a sideline will normally work. 

Firewal

ok guys thx for all the help!

SwimmerBill

Crushing the Sicilian? It is easily done as an almost undetectable 3 step procedure.


STEP 1: The attack is a delivery which looks like a normal queenside advance but actually turns towards the kingside like an off-break, rather than away from the center. Unlike in a normal off-break attack, move the pieces on the board out of the back of the hand, with the wrist 180 degrees to the board.


STEP 2: Hold and dominate the center as if you're about to stage a normal leg-break attack. To hide your intentions, as you move the pieces the top joints of the index and middle fingers should be across the seam of the piece, with the base resting between a bent third finger and the thumb. Point the knights heads to the opponents queenside.


STEP 3: At the point of release of the attacking knight's second hop to the board, the palm of your hand should be open upwards, towards the sky, with the back of your hand facing the opponent. It is critical that your wrist should be 180 degrees to the board, while the seam of the piece should point towards the chess clock. As you place the piece on the board, it should be your third finger which does most of the work, screwing it into the board anti-clockwise on release. Make sure the rotation is sufficient. Your opponent will follow this rotation with their eyes and become confused and disoriented. When you see this on your immediate next move slam the piece down hard , say CHECKMATE!!! loud then quickly put the set away.
You'll probably find the goes horribly wrong the first few times, but don't give up. Practice makes perfect. Use a tennis ball to help improve the flexibility of your wrist for the rotational motion.

tofudriftingboi

I have a secret opening with great success OTB as people dont know how to play those situations while I have the upper hand of experience.

SwimmerBill

OK I'll try to give a real answer.... Sicilian is basically = so you will win some & lose some. The key is to find an approach where you'll have fun and learn from your losses. Here are a few possibilities:

1. First one that seldom works against Sicilian... Most sharp defenses have a way for white to drain all the fun out of the game and steer it to a boring draw. Sometimes players will choose this and hope black gets bored and tries too hard. I dont see a way to do this in the Sicilian reliably.

2. Pick a plan of attack with a defined pattern like English attack or Sozin. Play it relentlessly against every Sicilian. You will win a lot and lose some. Study grandmaster games with the lines of loses to adapt for next time.

3. For each Sicilian there is usually a super sharp, forcing, sacrificial line that ends in perpetual check. Study and learn 1 such line for each major Sicilian. Find offshoots for white and figure out what happens when black steps off the path. Then OTB few will follow the line to its end and, if your memory&study are good, you'll win a lot. Sometimes OTB you'll find something new  to try in the line- go for it.

4. Find and play offshoots of main lines that are not topical but still basically equal, e.g., older lines against younger players and visa versa. But you will need to know them so some study is needed.

5. Generally, develop your pieces aggressively in the open Sicilian. You will want to either break in center with e5 or Nd5/f5 of something x b4 then Nd6+or attack on kingside with f5 or g4-g5. Develop pieces early to preserve both options. Based on blacks development [which will cannot cover every option] when you get a tempo ahead of black's defense in one attack or another you go with that attack plan.

Damonevic-Smithlov

A sledgehammer maybe?

AbsolutelyGarbage

Idk why nobody has mentioned the smith morra gambit yet. You get out of your opponents book right away, you get a lead in development and can attack the king rather than working out structural weaknesses and other advanced concepts and the engines even say it is sound. I've had great success with it (as a noob). 

AbsolutelyGarbage

These are my success rates with the gambit, far exceeding when I try and play normally vs my opponents 20 memorized moves Sicilian set ups.

sid0049
Firewal wrote:

How do you defeat the Sicilian?

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Firewal
sid0049 wrote:
Firewal wrote:

How do you defeat the Sicilian?

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What do u mean by flag? You mean beating them on time?

FizzyBand
AbsolutelyGarbage wrote:

Idk why nobody has mentioned the smith morra gambit yet. You get out of your opponents book right away, you get a lead in development and can attack the king rather than working out structural weaknesses and other advanced concepts and the engines even say it is sound. I've had great success with it (as a noob). 

The Morra is not very good. It is not an entirely sound gambit and Black can gain a slight edge with accurate play. Of course, Black can just decline the gambit with 3...Nf6 like I do, which works well psychologically because Black gets a solid and fully equal position and the Morra gambiteer will probably not like the ensuing positions.

qingDesolate

Crush the Sicilian :

Actually learn how to play the closed Sicilian properly. I guarantee that many do not know the proper way to respond to the proper closed Sicilian. (Fianchetto f4 closed Sicilian)

NikolaiSpongnikov
This thread is very reminiscent of another one...I believe the answer is...the Alapin? ;)
AbsolutelyGarbage
FizzyBand wrote:
AbsolutelyGarbage wrote:

Idk why nobody has mentioned the smith morra gambit yet. You get out of your opponents book right away, you get a lead in development and can attack the king rather than working out structural weaknesses and other advanced concepts and the engines even say it is sound. I've had great success with it (as a noob). 

The Morra is not very good. It is not an entirely sound gambit and Black can gain a slight edge with accurate play. Of course, Black can just decline the gambit with 3...Nf6 like I do, which works well psychologically because Black gets a solid and fully equal position and the Morra gambiteer will probably not like the ensuing positions.


Both LeelaZero and Stockfish 11 think the gambit is sound, moreso than any other gambit if I am not mistaken. Also black can gain an edge against any opening if he plays accurately longer than his opponent no?

OptimalDefense85

I recommend you to start play Open Sicilian with 1.e4 c5 2.Sf3 if you really want improve your chess skill dont avoid it go for it and learn happy.png also play sicilan with black yourself this is a great for chess skill develop opening not easy to handle complicated but also very very interesting . How to crush siclian happy.png my example game 

 

Firewal
pfren wrote:
AbsolutelyGarbage έγραψε:

Both LeelaZero and Stockfish 11 think the gambit is sound, moreso than any other gambit if I am not mistaken. Also black can gain an edge against any opening if he plays accurately longer than his opponent no?

 

First, both the lines you are showing are not the Morra gambit - white tries to return to normal lines with 3.Nf3- and this move order is known to be problematic as 3...a6! gives Black easy equality (4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5).

Second, and most important, there is no engine which will tell you something useful as early as move two. You are simply wasting electric power to learn nothing.

You’d better hope what I’m saying is true.