How to deal with parents who hate chess ?

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surething01
El_Raider wrote:
Play outside of your house like the park or at a friends house, think outside the box my friend. There's a way out for everything except death.

And taxes... there's a way out of everything except death and taxes. 

Darth_Algar
surething01 wrote:
El_Raider wrote:
Play outside of your house like the park or at a friends house, think outside the box my friend. There's a way out for everything except death.

And taxes... there's a way out of everything except death and taxes. 

There's plenty of ways out of taxes. Some even legal if you have the right accountants.

surething01
Darth_Algar wrote:
surething01 wrote:
El_Raider wrote:
Play outside of your house like the park or at a friends house, think outside the box my friend. There's a way out for everything except death.

And taxes... there's a way out of everything except death and taxes. 

There's plenty of ways out of taxes. Some even legal if you have the right accountants.

Good point, I stand corrected. 

Ziggy_Zugzwang

Parents can be a safety net or/and a prison. Some cultures value economic progress along with family solidity which seems to be a feature, for better or worse , quite prevalent in Indian culture.

Could you frame your chess activities as a way of potential social improvement/economic advancement through mixing with more middleclass people and mixing with people likely to improve social networking ? (Personally I think culture,education etc, including chess are an end in themselves, but we have to deal with people (friends/families) who may not be as enlightened as ourselves Smile )

bunicula

many others have successfully dealt with parents before

X_PLAYER_J_X
Darth_Algar wrote:
logozar wrote:
MASS_ATTACKER wrote:

ask your parents if they'd rather you play candy crush, agar.io, minecraft, etc.

also, have you got a job? if you don't, i'd recommend getting one and doing chess in your spare time, since i don't think you'd earn much money off chess.

I make 7 dollars an hour teaching chess.

Just a shade under minimum wage. Sweet!


Darth_Algar I can't really tell if your statement was a sarcastic insult or a complement.

However, If it was a sarcastic insult than I feel it was totally uncalled for!

In the US things have changed since the old days.

You can't work until your 16 in the US in places like a resturant or as a waiter.

Once you get in that age range some employee's don't hire teens.

One of the main reasons is because they are limited on how many hours they can work a week.

If an employer tries to over work them; they can end up in jail!

Many business owners don't want to take the risk.


PART 570 — CHILD LABOR REGULATIONS, ORDERS AND STATEMENTS OF INTERPRETATION ENFORCEMENT

(a) any person who willfully violates any of the provisions of section 15 shall upon conviction thereof be subject to a fine of not more than $10,000, or to imprisonment


Source: http://cfr.regstoday.com/29cfr570.aspx#29_CFR_570p35


They take child labor regulations very serious in the US!

Logozar is like 14 or 15!

He would be un-able to get a normal job simply because of his age.

He would have to do like side jobs if he wanted to make money.

  • Cutting grasses
  • Selling lemonade
  • Doing extra chores were upon his family might pay him
  • Helping out a neighbor who might pay him
  • Picking up trash from a neighbors yard who might pay him to do that.
  • Making money by Collecting/selling cans, metals, or plastics.
  • Or in his case teaching chess!

 

7 dollars an hour is good money compared to other options!

Back in the day I use to cut grass for 5 dollars an hour in the hot sun!

I believe Logozar is a genus.

The price amount of 7 dollars which Logozar put is sensational!

Logozar price is not to high.

&

Logozar price is not to low.

Logozar price is right in the middle!

 

If Logozar price was to high people wouldn't even go to him for coaching advice! They would think to themselves that he was over priced and would seek out coaching advice from like a title player!

 

If Logozar price was to low people wouldn't go to him because they would think he was cheap! They would think he gave poor chess quality which is not true! You can check his coaching pages people have said wonderful things about his chess quality!

Furthermore, I have talked with him before and we have had wonderful conversations about different openings.

He knows his stuff!

He is close to 1700 OTB!

His Target Students include:

 

New to Chess ( <1000), Beginner (1000-1400)

I have no doubt in my mind that he could teach them a lot of wonderful things!

I have said it before and I will say it again!

Logozar price is right in the middle!

Right in the heart of the competition!

If I wanted a chess coach.

I can tell you 1 thing.

Logozar would be the first person I talked too!

He is such a nice person.

If I was a new chess player, beginner, or hell even an intermidate chess player I would def. get chess coaching advice from Logozar.


 

I do not consider myself a serious chess player.

If I ever do become a serious tournament chess player I def would get a chess coach.

If I get serious about chess my first coach would def be Logozar.

His chess.com ranking is lower than me, but I wouldn't care lol.

I would hire him just so that I could tell other people he was my coach!

I think he is awesome!

I play chess for a hobby.

I don't attend any real life tournaments.

Which is why I have not hired any chess coaches!

However, I think anyone who does play real life tournaments should have a coach!

Look at Magnus Carlsen for example.

Magnus is the highest rated player in history!

No one has ever been rated as high as Magnus!

Magnus has had many coaches during his chess career.

All of his coaches have been lower rated them him because he is the highest rated person in history!

Yet, he still hires chess coaches!

Chess is such a rich and complex game.

No matter how high your chess ranking gets!

You can still learn & improve!

Just when you think you have learned it all!

Someone esle comes around to teach you something you have never seen before!

bunicula

then there was this kid too but i don't think it ended too well for him

eastyz

Caruana?

Nathan0001

Hi aakashmistri,

 

I saw your post about your parents' hostility towards your playing chess.   I'm guessing they're "old school"; they perhaps see chess as a waste of time at best, or a form of gambling at worst (especially if they listen to certain religious leaders who have no idea of what chess actually is).  

 

I think it's likely that if they don't support your playing chess, then they probably can't change.  But, if it's possible for them to change, then this is how I'd try to change their minds, once you've assured them that it is a game of pure skill with no luck or gambling involved at all.  

 

I would ask them why they don't support you doing chess, but tell them also how meaningful it is to you, and ask them to listen to some reasons why.  Since you are flying an Indian flag, I'd make the following arguments in addition to any personal ones that are unique to you:

 

1) Chess is the most popular game in the world--and the scholarly consensus is that it developed in India.

 

2) A living former World Champion of chess is Indian--Viswanathan Anand. Tell them how respected Anand is--not only as a chessplayer, but as a human being, as a philanthropist, as an Indian patriot.

 

3) The world's second best woman player of chess (I think!) is Koneru Humpy, and she's Indian, too.

 

4) The most famous carvers of chess pieces in the world are Indian.  Indian craftsmen make the vast majority of the world's most beautiful wooden chess pieces.

 

5) It's better than drinking alcohol, causing trouble, or wasting time.  

 

6) Chess breeds awareness of the world around you, since you have to take into account your opponent's moves, and since you get to learn about famous chessplayers who come from every country on Earth.  

 

7.) Chess could be thought of as a form of mental discipline, a kind of meditation.  When you play and when you train, you have to clear your mind of distractions and focus.  When your brain learns to function this way, it can help you in other walks of life.  

 

7.) Chess touches on themes of mathematics, tradition, art, and beauty--the last, not only in the appearance of the board, but also in the sequence of moves.

 

8.) Chess is a unique form of co-creation through conflict under mutually-recognized rules.  Two players may be working at cross-purposes, but they create something together: the game.  That makes it fascinating!

 

9.) Chess at its best can breed sportsmanship and chivalry.

 

10.) Chess can bring you friends from around the world who can enrich your life.

 

On a personal note, I also love chess because it reminds me of my dad, who taught me, and of my son, whom I am teaching.  Chess for me is connected with family and the best of the traditional values just as much as it is about innovation, learning, intelligence, and openness to others. 

 

Good luck!

WalangAlam

I see two issues here: first, the kind of crowd that play chess in your area. If your parents don't approve of them then look for people they like that play chess. Although this could be hard. Second, it's how you spend your time. I reckon they would rather see you spend your time in other pursuits that would advance your career or business especially at your productive age. We can all go back to chess when we retire.Smile

dpnorman

Chessism sucks

OmarAlsalahy
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lolurspammed

Use a gun.

Travelinjack

Wiki Ossip Bernstein. and then tell them his story. Technically he owed his "life" to playing chess and being good at it(otherwise he would have been shot and killed by firing squad).

if that doesn't impress...

He amassed three fortunes in his lifetime and while you can't say that they were owed to chess. Analytical thinking clearly helps with banking and markets as well as investment. Learning chess helps with scholarships and grants. It's something you can put on resumes (if you don't have anything else) that may provoke some interest in you. (standing out among other applicants)