See post #121 Here is another game which more or less refutes the 4. ..g5?! idea...
How to play against Budapest Gambit
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SmyslovFan wrote:
... 1.d4 - Beat the Guerrilla Openings!: A Powerful Opening Repertoire Against Annoying Black Sidelines.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626165831/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen155.pdf
http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/1-d4-Beat-the-Guerrillas-76p3496.htm
Yigor wrote:
and now there are many good moves for white.
Houdini (i think) played 1. d4 Nf6. 2. c4 e5.3.de5 ng4. 4. e4!!!nxe5. 5.f4!!! and the game leads to forced lose(decisive advantage for white) within 20 moves in TCEC season 10 ( I think).
Mar 27, 2018
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#105
I have just played a brilliant game in Budapest Gambit with white pieces..... It's surely the best game I've played in chess.com so far.......
SmyslovFan wrote:
That's true for almost every opening.
The Budapest gives White a choice between a slight positional edge and a complex counter attacking duel. I prefer White, but the real problem with the Budapest is if White goes for the positional edge, Black doesn't have much chance to win against a strong opponent.
So if Black is in a must-win situation, there are better options and if Black is in a must draw situation there are better options.
Objectively tho, the Budapest shouldn't lose.
One more wrong opinion.
All men are made equal, but NOT all openings are equal.
Some are less equal than others, and some even lose.
If there are better defences like the Nimzo-Indian and the Nimzo-Indian favours white by a margin, the Budapest should favour white by an even bigger margin.
Is this a losing margin?
Only perfect play can tell, my analyses say yes, but in any case this comes dangerously close to a bad opening.
ilusmte wrote:
True..... but it's a proved fact that over-expansion of the centre often causes problems.....
This is NO overextension, but a solid center.
Overextension is when you have some related weaknesses, in the present case white does not have such.
The Budapest is JUST a surprise weapon, my opponent is unprepared, so let's try this.
As said again, there are NO sound black gambits.
White, yes.
The Evans gives full equality and might even be dangerous, if black plays incorrectly.
However, in the Evans, white wins couple of tempos after b4 Bxb4 c3(first tempo), then on occasion d5(second tempo), etc.
In distinction, in the Budapest, black loses couple of tempos, dxe5 Ng4(first tempo, the knight has moved twice) e4 Nxe5(second tempo, 3 knight moves in a row) f4 Nc6/g6(third tempo).
It is so so obvious, I wonder why people prefer to close their eyes...
drmrboss wrote:
Yigor wrote:
and now there are many good moves for white.
Houdini (i think) played 1. d4 Nf6. 2. c4 e5.3.de5 ng4. 4. e4!!!nxe5. 5.f4!!! and the game leads to forced lose(decisive advantage for white) within 20 moves in TCEC season 10 ( I think).
So, Houdini perfectly agrees with my theory...
ilusmte wrote:
I have just played a brilliant game in Budapest Gambit with white pieces..... It's surely the best game I've played in chess.com so far.......
Post please.
The statement "There are no Black Sound Gambits" is interesting.
I do not think the statement is accurate.
I would say: "There are almost no Black Sound Gambits."
I can think of more than one Black Sound Gambit.
[However, i think the Budapest Gambit is a loser?!]
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
... As said again, there are NO sound black gambits. ...
How about this? 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 d5 5 exd5 Na5
Mar 27, 2018
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#114
The Benko is almost certainly sound, and the Marshall is certainly sound.
I would argue that the Winawer Countergambit in the Slav QGD (1.d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 e5) is mostly sound as well.
Mar 27, 2018
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#116
Guys you are getting out of our topic of discussion..... Although I agree with both of you.....
ilusmte wrote:
Guys you are getting out of our topic of discussion..... Although I agree with both of you.....
You have to be hiding under a rock at this point to not know chess.com = the secret chess show. Anyone who doesnt like it can watch another 100 video ads be loaded to their computer at once. Chess.com has given special permission for him to take over any thread at any time to promote his book....or block anyone in his way.
nighteyes1234 wrote:
ilusmte wrote:
Guys you are getting out of our topic of discussion..... Although I agree with both of you.....
You have to be hiding under a rock at this point to not know chess.com = the secret chess show. Anyone who doesnt like it can watch another 100 video ads be loaded to their computer at once. Chess.com has given special permission for him to take over any thread at any time to promote his book....or block anyone in his way.
I think OP was referring to SmyslovFan and I.
Sorry ilusmte. On the Budapest, it's a fine opening choice for black. Not best by any stretch, but respectable, and black won't usually have trouble getting the pawn back. As long as you know what you're doing with the white pieces you shouldn't have an issue dealing with it out the opening.
SmyslovFan έγραψε:
The Benko is almost certainly sound, and the Marshall is certainly sound.
The Marshall is unsound: White equalizes easily. 
True..... but it's a proved fact that over-expansion of the centre often causes problems.....