How to play against Grand Prix?

shobhasshetty

Nowadays Grand Prix is becoming very popular and I am having a lot of problems facing it. I am afraid that even low rated players started it. Can anyone suggest me a line/variation against it? Thank you for your help.

EatingRiceWivNoCurry

lol I hate that opening too.Surprise your opponent by playing e6 and d5!

Ziggy_Zugzwang

I play 1e4 c5 2Nc3 a6. I does well on the databases and I've found it useful myself. The idea is to play e6 then d5, perhaps placing a knight on f5 via e7 if white opts for closing the centre.

shobhasshetty
This is the recent game  I played against it. And I  lost badly.

 

shobhasshetty

Using the same line you suggested

 

Optimissed
EatingRiceWivNoCurry wrote:

lol I hate that opening too.Surprise your opponent by playing e6 and d5!>>>

I love playing against the Grand Prix, which is rather a slow opening, but unfortunately the variation you mention is bad (and it's no surprise either) due to the positional line with an immediate Bb5+.

 

Optimissed
Ziggy_Zugzwang wrote:

I play 1e4 c5 2Nc3 a6. I does well on the databases and I've found it useful myself. The idea is to play e6 then d5, perhaps placing a knight on f5 via e7 if white opts for closing the centre.>>>

What would you play against 1e4 c5 2Nc3 a6 3Bc4, Ziggy?

 

Ziggy_Zugzwang

Possibly e6

(Edit. Also just checked opening explorer. Black is murdering white according to the stats on the Bc4 line. Quick look suggest as I suspected, d5 themes for black driving back the bishop with tempo...)

pfren

2...a6 is a very good move as long as Black does not mind playing either the Najdorf, or the Kan after 3.Nf3 followed by d2-d4.

bulletchesser

Just play e6 and d5. Most players who play these kind of openings are stuck in their autopilot-opening where they repeat typical attacking schemes over and over without taking the current position into account. By playing e6 and d5 you throw them out of their comfort zone because they don't get that autopilot mating attack.

 

pfren
bulletchesser έγραψε:

Just play e6 and d5. Most players who play these kind of openings are stuck in their autopilot-opening where they repeat typical attacking schemes over and over without taking the current position into account. By playing e6 and d5 you throw them out of their comfort zone because they don't get that autopilot mating attack.

 

 

This is not an easy line to play-mainly as Black. A few years ago GM Avrukh advocated this in "Experts vs the Antsicilians" book, giving the line 6.exd5 exd5 7.Qe2 f6!?, which a computer may approve (...almost), but OTB I would rather be white- Black has to avoid a lot of nasties.

kindaspongey

Possibly of interest:
Starting Out: The Sicilian, 2nd Edition
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627122350/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen123.pdf
Anti-Sicilians: Move by Move
http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Anti-Sicilian-76p3921.htm
Sveshnikov vs. the Anti-Sicilians

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9003.pdf
http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Sveshnikov-vs-The-Anti-Sicilians-76p3890.htm
Grandmaster Repertoire 6A - Beating the Anti-Sicilians
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/BeatingtheAnti-Sicilians-excerpt.pdf

Optimissed
Ziggy_Zugzwang wrote:

Possibly e6

(Edit. Also just checked opening explorer. Black is murdering white according to the stats on the Bc4 line. Quick look suggest as I suspected, d5 themes for black driving back the bishop with tempo...)

I agree. It  really is beginners' stuff from white, unless, that is, black plays an immediate b5, which, at any rate according to some analysis I did years ago, loses very quickly for black.

Optimissed

Incidentally, I do have an autopilot response to the GP attack. It's c5, e6, a6 and then d5.

a6 is necessary to prevent the positional Bb5+. I win a high proportion of my games as black against opposition up to 1900 FIDE (ECF equivalent) otb. But the GP attack is something usually only played by weaker players, say 150 ECF and under (<1720 FIDE).

Ziggy_Zugzwang

 

Optimissed

Yes you were a little slow playing be7 for my taste and maybe h5-h4 could have been played a bit sooner but that's the general idea I find to be successful against such stuff. Black's calling the shots.