I Hate the Kingside Pawnstorm

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chessdude46

Thriller Fan, I don't remember much about that game, but I remember that I didn't trade there because I like knights more, I wouldn't commit a mistake like that, although my reasoning probably is as stupid. I traded the bishop for the knight there because I thought that knight was too much of a threat and needed to be eliminated. I obviously didn't know too much about the opening and I admit that was a mistake. But I just wanted to defend that move, albeit it is still stupid. 

 

Secondly, I've heard that the Caro-Kann is particularly strong against kingside pawnstorm, is this true? (Sorry for my apparent ignorance)

dashkee94

Well, there are some lines in the Caro that have some big k-side pawns storms, too.  It's not going to be that easy to avoid them, unless you play an open game.

That being said, when you play the Sicilian, do you look for an opportunity to play Rc3 and Ne4?  Ideas like that commonly slow white's ability to just rush the pawns down the k-side.  Also, how about piece sacs on g4?  These are some of the tactical ideas that white has to deal with before he can come at you in a rush.  If you are going to play the Sicilian, and need help adopting these ideas to your game, let me suggest buying Tactics in the Sicilian by Gennady Nesis.  It seems to me that all you really need some material on more advanced middle game play.

I hope this helps some.

ElKitch

And 20. h4 was a possibility. The you use blacks pawn to block everything out.

plutonia
ThrillerFan wrote


And this is exactly what shows chess ignorance.  Whether you dislike certain positions or not, everybody has to deal with them, and if you are going to make second-best moves just to avoid a certain dislike, you will never get better.

For example, many amateurs hate doubled pawns, but after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Bd2 Bxc3, to insist on playing 7.Bxc3 just for the mere sake of avoiding doubled pawns is a prime example of showing chess ignorance even when every book and every player rated higher than you takes with the pawn.

To make a certain move just to prevent a pawn storm over moves that best improve the position are another example.

Another extremely common scenario is you already traded your c-pawn for Black's d-pawn.  Now Black has taken on d4 with his c-pawn.  You have 2 choices.  You can play exd4 with your pawn on e3 or Nxd4 with your knight on f3.  If you take with the pawn, you have 2 pieces controlling e5.  If you take with the Knight, you have None, and because you hate IQPs, you take with the Knight, but allowing ...e5 by Black allows him to equalize and taking with the pawn gives you a large advantage.  Learn to deal with the nuances that result form playing the best moves.  Prevent Defense doesn't work in football, and it doesn't work in chess either.

 

Ok, you convinced me and I now believe that you're right :)

binblaster
plutonia wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote


And this is exactly what shows chess ignorance.  Whether you dislike certain positions or not, everybody has to deal with them, and if you are going to make second-best moves just to avoid a certain dislike, you will never get better.

For example, many amateurs hate doubled pawns, but after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Bd2 Bxc3, to insist on playing 7.Bxc3 just for the mere sake of avoiding doubled pawns is a prime example of showing chess ignorance even when every book and every player rated higher than you takes with the pawn.

To make a certain move just to prevent a pawn storm over moves that best improve the position are another example.

Another extremely common scenario is you already traded your c-pawn for Black's d-pawn.  Now Black has taken on d4 with his c-pawn.  You have 2 choices.  You can play exd4 with your pawn on e3 or Nxd4 with your knight on f3.  If you take with the pawn, you have 2 pieces controlling e5.  If you take with the Knight, you have None, and because you hate IQPs, you take with the Knight, but allowing ...e5 by Black allows him to equalize and taking with the pawn gives you a large advantage.  Learn to deal with the nuances that result form playing the best moves.  Prevent Defense doesn't work in football, and it doesn't work in chess either.

 

Ok, you convinced me and I now believe that you're right :)

O.o Someone has acually admitted that they were wrong on the internet?!

Daneel_Olivaw
binblaster wrote:

O.o Someone has acually admitted that they were wrong on the internet?!

Take a screenshot, bro, frame it and nail it to your wall Laughing

aprif

Following :

[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2019.10.29"]
[Event "Vs. Computer"]
[Round "1"]
[White "aprif"]
[Black "Computer Level 10"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "B99"]
[CurrentPosition "r1b1k2r/1pq2pp1/p2ppb1p/2n5/3NPPPP/2N2Q2/PPP5/2KR1B1R w kq - 1 13"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Nbd7 8.Qf3 Be7 9.O-O-O Qc7 10.g4 h6 11.Bxf6 Bxf6 12.h4 Nc5 *

Stockfish rating : +0.96

 

Leads to insufficiency draw :

 

[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2019.10.29"]
[Event "Vs. Computer"]
[Round "1"]
[White "aprif"]
[Black "Computer Level 10"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B99"]
[CurrentPosition "8/3B4/8/7K/2b2k2/8/8/8 b - - 0 64"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Nbd7 8.Qf3 Be7 9.O-O-O Qc7 10.g4 h6 11.Bxf6 Bxf6 12.h4 Nc5 13.g5 Bxd4 14.Rxd4 Bd7 15.Rg1 Bc6 16.gxh6 gxh6 17.b4 Nd7 18.Rg2 Nb6 19.Rg7 O-O-O 20.f5 Rhg8 21.Rxg8 Rxg8 22.Rd2 Kb8 23.Qf4 d5 24.Qxc7+ Kxc7 25.fxe6 fxe6 26.exd5 exd5 27.Rg2 Rxg2 28.Bxg2 Kd6 29.Ne2 Ke5 30.Kd2 Bb5 31.Nc3 Bd7 32.Kc1 Be6 33.a4 Nc4 34.a5 Ne3 35.Bh1 Kd4 36.Ne2+ Kc4 37.Kd2 Nf1+ 38.Ke1 Nh2 39.Nf4 Bg8 40.Bg2 Kxb4 41.Nxd5+ Kxa5 42.Nf6 Bc4 43.Bxb7 Kb4 44.Kd2 Nf1+ 45.Kc1 Ne3 46.Kb2 a5 47.Bf3 Kc5 48.c3 Kd6 49.Ng4 Nxg4 50.Bxg4 Ke5 51.Ka3 Kf4 52.Bd7 Ke4 53.Ka4 Kd3 54.Kxa5 Kxc3 55.Kb6 Kd4 56.Kc7 Ke5 57.Kd8 Kf4 58.Ke7 Kg3 59.h5 Kh4 60.Kf6 Kxh5 61.Be8+ Kg4 62.Kg6 h5 63.Bd7+ Kf4 64.Kxh5

 

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