I mean, based off of pure principle, the Sicilian is the second best move in the game and much better than the Barnes
Is it? Barnes Defense can turn into the Nürnberg Variation of Ruy Lopez, or has the Fried Fox Defense.
And a safe king for black. The Sicilian merely establishes asymmetry in the vein that white can take out its bishop and black can't.
these are just the d6 variations lol
the Canal Attack just draws, and white drawing is a bad result
Why would white play D4? Why not
wait wait rewind
This guy just said the Sicilian’s refuted by the wing gambit 💀💀💀💀
white’s pawn structure is absolutely wrecked, black’s significantly better and easily catches up in development, and the engine already says black has achieved equality
no wonder why the wing gambit isn’t played at the top level
Now look at this!
Black’s still great, despite being in one of the best lines for white! This is a great position for both sides.
Your point being? White’s still worse here.
these are just the d6 variations lol
the Canal Attack just draws, and white drawing is a bad result
Why would white play D4? Why not
You’re not getting it- the point isn’t whether white’s bad or not. The point is that the Sicilian isn’t refuted, and far from it. Black has a good position in every single line.
@Yerachmeal
Hey guys, I’m gonna show you how to refute the French. I was playing around in the analysis board and I found this checkmate.
As you can see, white easily won, and this is an official refutation of the French Defense. This opening is obviously very easily refuted.
these are just the d6 variations lol
the Canal Attack just draws, and white drawing is a bad result
Why would white play D4? Why not
You’re not getting it- the point isn’t whether white’s bad or not. The point is that the Sicilian isn’t refuted, and far from it. Black has a good position in every single line.
In every line where they play correctly, of course.
both are a draw
please start arguing with the engine
I'm not arguing with the engine, in fact I had the 3200 engine play itself in a game starting with
and it was also a draw, because no matter how the first move goes, neither side can obtain a winning advantage... According to the engine.
You’re not getting it- the point isn’t whether white’s bad or not. The point is that the Sicilian isn’t refuted, and far from it. Black has a good position in every single line.
In every line where they play correctly, of course.
Which is true in every move I ranked higher than it, as well as the Owen's Defense. Refute may have been the wrong word, Perhaps I should have said it's too easy for white to achieve a position that is better than Black's.
You’re not getting it- the point isn’t whether white’s bad or not. The point is that the Sicilian isn’t refuted, and far from it. Black has a good position in every single line.
In every line where they play correctly, of course.
Which is true in every move I ranked higher than it, as well as the Owen's Defense. Refute may have been the wrong word, Perhaps I should have said it's too easy for white to achieve a position that is better than Black's.
Compare this:
Where white is significantly up in development, while black is passive and doesn’t have any counterplay, to this:
White has a good position, but black has counterplay, active pieces, and a clear plan to win.
Please show me a position where it’s easy for white to gain a large advantage in the Sicilian. Your opponents obviously have been playing it wrong.
could have sworn this had a name
It's the matovinsky gambit and it's smthn like plus 3.7
Never thought anyone could one up that dude who claimed Alapin refuted Sicillian. But here we are.
Someone actually said blocking in your own knight for no reason refutes the sicilian?
It doesn’t refute it, but it’s pretty darn awesome. Easily better than the wing gambit
Compare this:
Where white is significantly up in development, while black is passive and doesn’t have any counterplay, to this:
White has a good position, but black has counterplay, active pieces, and a clear plan to win.
Please show me a position where it’s easy for white to gain a large advantage in the Sicilian. Your opponents obviously have been playing it wrong.
Or
@frogboywarpz
not very playable tho
How about 5.Nf3 instead or Nf3 instead of d4.
Compare this:
Where white is significantly up in development, while black is passive and doesn’t have any counterplay, to this:
White has a good position, but black has counterplay, active pieces, and a clear plan to win.
Please show me a position where it’s easy for white to gain a large advantage in the Sicilian. Your opponents obviously have been playing it wrong.
Or
You should probably check the engine
(The engine says it’s -0.91. Clearly not a “minor advantage for white”)
You could argue that in most lines, the evaluation bar is positive for white. Okay.
The evaluation here is +0.39. From the starting position of the entire game, the evaluation bar says white has a +0.47 advantage. White naturally has a minor advantage, he always has the first move. Meanwhile, if black has a -0.47 advantage, white made an inaccuracy because black now has the supposed “first move advantage.” White gets a minor advantage in nearly every line he plays. The minor advantage you should be talking about is like, +1.0, which is in none of the lines shown. White doesn’t get a minor advantage because black plays the Sicilian, he gets a minor advantage because he’s on the white side.
Compare this:
Where white is significantly up in development, while black is passive and doesn’t have any counterplay, to this:
White has a good position, but black has counterplay, active pieces, and a clear plan to win.
Please show me a position where it’s easy for white to gain a large advantage in the Sicilian. Your opponents obviously have been playing it wrong.
Or
You should probably check the engine
(The engine says it’s -0.91. Clearly not a “minor advantage for white”)
You could argue that in most lines, the evaluation bar is positive for white. Okay.
The evaluation here is +0.39. From the starting position of the entire game, the evaluation bar says white has a +0.47 advantage. White naturally has a minor advantage, he always has the first move. Meanwhile, if black has a -0.47 advantage, white made an inaccuracy because black now has the supposed “first move advantage.” White gets a minor advantage in nearly every line he plays. The minor advantage you should be talking about is like, +1.0, which is in none of the lines shown. White doesn’t get a minor advantage because black plays the Sicilian, he gets a minor advantage because he’s on the white side.
for the first line (for some reason it didn’t show)
black’s now in an accelerated dragon and up for a great game
these are just the d6 variations lol
the Canal Attack just draws, and white drawing is a bad result
Why would white play D4? Why not
You’re not getting it- the point isn’t whether white’s bad or not. The point is that the Sicilian isn’t refuted, and far from it. Black has a good position in every single line.
Sicilian is refuted because it weakens the light squares. Look:
Just 1 example of how black can go wrong in the Sicilian.
these are just the d6 variations lol
the Canal Attack just draws, and white drawing is a bad result
Why would white play D4? Why not
You’re not getting it- the point isn’t whether white’s bad or not. The point is that the Sicilian isn’t refuted, and far from it. Black has a good position in every single line.
Sicilian is refuted because it weakens the light squares. Look:
Just 1 example of how black can go wrong in the Sicilian.
Oh my god, I see. I finally see. GothamChess was right! The Caro-Kann Defense is the only good opening!
Look at how easily black won! He was right! Our god has been proven correct!
Sure lol whatever you say. I have no idea why someone that has such a knowledge against Sicillian that he can bust it everytime comes here and debates with me instead of winnin the world championship, since you know, engines can't manage the said task.