I WANT TO DEMOLISH THE SICILIAN OPENING AS WHITE! GIVE SUGGESTIONS!

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I don’t think I’m at a rating where I should give advice but the Grand Prix attack has proven again and again to break Sicilian defense
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To beat the Sicilian, just play Qh4 and then Qxh2.

It's very effective wink

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You can transpose it into English Ultra-Symmetrical Botvinnik System.

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Sicilian closed is underated but good

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BergsmaNL έγραψε:

The grand prix attack is pretty solid and doesnt allow much counterplay. Example:

You are silently assuming that you're playing against an idiot, who finds moves like 5...a6 and 8...Bb7 appetizing.

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Random_Carnage έγραψε:
Sipunzyaka wrote:
The Smith-Morra Gambit is very well counterable with the Dragon

Black has to be very careful doing that. The dragon may lose his head.

 
 

Taking the e5 pawn is very complex, and risky. Black has a great game after 7...Nh6, followed by ...0-0 and ...d6, potentially returning the pawn to stop white's activity.

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To demolish the Sicilian I suggest chess boxing.

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Sicilian Wing Gambit. Learn that and you'll win a lot, under 1800.

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Josh11live wrote:
Alapin is too boring for Sicilian players

No you play 2. ...d5

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BergsmaNL wrote:

The grand prix attack is pretty solid and doesnt allow much counterplay. Example:

True, pfren, black didn't know what they were doing.

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Nothing to say but alapin, Look at Gothamchess, he made a video on it i think.

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pfren wrote:
Random_Carnage έγραψε:
Sipunzyaka wrote:
The Smith-Morra Gambit is very well counterable with the Dragon

Black has to be very careful doing that. The dragon may lose his head.

 
 

Taking the e5 pawn is very complex, and risky. Black has a great game after 7...Nh6, followed by ...0-0 and ...d6, potentially returning the pawn to stop white's activity.

I'll have to remember the refutation next time Carlsen plays 1...c5 against me. wink

Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, for all practical purposes, the Morra is a great weapon against the Sicilian because White will be far more well versed in it, 9 times out of 10, than Black.

My own record with the opening speaks for itself, and I make plenty of errors in the opening!

I always attempt to play the Morra against 1...c5 in all my games as White.

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i personally play sicilian with black, nice winrate. my toughest battles are in the closed (grand prix attack)

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Just an opinion on Smith morra and Alapin, Smith morra is bad, ezzz win and alapin is tough for both sides

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Random_Carnage wrote:

Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, for all practical purposes, the Morra is a great weapon against the Sicilian because White will be far more well versed in it, 9 times out of 10, than Black.

Trouble is there aren't alot of options for white, due to white being on a timer and needing to attack the kingside quickly, combined with O-O-O no longer being an option, and pawn storms being weak on the sides of the board... (he's castled kingside, missing a queenside pawn and he doesn't have time to push too many pawns anyway). White also doesn't want to trade anything... some combination Bc4 / Nf3 / Nc3 / Qe2 / O-O / pushing e5 is what white winds up playing 90% of the time, it's all that really makes sense. Which means black really does not struggle to memorize his response to this opening, at all. Black can play a very easy to memorize set of moves that land him in a fantastic position. And it's not as rare a line as white players seem to think it is, either - it's a move-2 deviation.

At 1400 I think it will work... it serves its only function which is to minimize the amount of effort white has to put into the opening. But at some point (way before magnus level), when black knows what to do, it just becomes very lame / weak. The numbers speak for themselves.

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Sussyguy4890 wrote:
Don’t play e4 that demolishes the Sicilian

People don't realize that this is actually true. If I play against 1600 and up, I start with d4 as white. Then I don't have to deal with Sicilian.

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crazedrat1000 wrote:
Random_Carnage wrote:

Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, for all practical purposes, the Morra is a great weapon against the Sicilian because White will be far more well versed in it, 9 times out of 10, than Black.

Trouble is there aren't alot of options for white, due to white being on a timer and needing to attack the kingside quickly, combined with O-O-O no longer being an option, and pawn storms being weak on the sides of the board... (he's castled kingside, missing a queenside pawn and he doesn't have time to push too many pawns anyway). White also doesn't want to trade anything... some combination Bc4 / Nf3 / Nc3 / Qe2 / O-O / pushing e5 is what white winds up playing 90% of the time, it's all that really makes sense. Which means black really does not struggle to memorize his response to this opening, at all. Black can play a very easy to memorize set of moves that land him in a fantastic position. And it's not as rare a line as white players seem to think it is, either - it's a move-2 deviation.

At 1400 I think it will work... it serves its only function which is to minimize the amount of effort white has to put into the opening. But at some point (way before magnus level), when black knows what to do, it just becomes very lame / weak. The numbers speak for themselves.

The basic setup with the e4-e5 is just a basic motif. There are plenty of others in the Morra.

You'd best tell IM Marc Esserman that the Morra is only good to beat 1400s the next time he slaughters 2500+ rated players online, or, indeed, beats IMs and GMs OTB.

Esserman still routinely uses the gambit (and wins) against highly rated palyers online.

  • Marc Esserman – Loek van Wely (GM)U.S. Open, 2011→ Esserman’s most famous Smith-Morra victory. He defeats a 2700-rated super-GM with a brilliant kingside attack and textbook Morra themes.
    (Game widely published — see Boston Globe Chess Notes, Sept 2011.)

  • Marc Esserman – Zbyněk Hráček (GM)Marshall Chess Club / New York International, 2009→ A critical win in Esserman’s IM title run. He keeps dynamic pressure throughout and wins a sharp middlegame.
    (Referenced on the Boylston Chess Club blog, June 2009.)

  • Marc Esserman – Alexander Ivanov (GM)Continental Open, Sturbridge, 2014→ Deep preparation meets over-the-board creativity. Esserman sacrifices a pawn early, takes over the dark squares, and outplays Ivanov in the late middlegame.
    (Annotated in various U.S. tournament reports.)

  • Marc Esserman – D. Gukesh (later GM)Cannes Open, 2017→ A spectacular attacking game versus the future Indian prodigy. Esserman demonstrates how the Morra can still generate chaos even against modern defensive setups.

  • Marc Esserman – Justin Sarkar (IM)Miami Open, 2008→ A fast and clean tactical win — pure Morra energy. Esserman sacrifices material to open lines and finishes in style.

https://lichess.org/@/MassterofMayhem

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Random_Carnage έγραψε:
crazedrat1000 wrote:
Random_Carnage wrote:

Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, for all practical purposes, the Morra is a great weapon against the Sicilian because White will be far more well versed in it, 9 times out of 10, than Black.

Trouble is there aren't alot of options for white, due to white being on a timer and needing to attack the kingside quickly, combined with O-O-O no longer being an option, and pawn storms being weak on the sides of the board... (he's castled kingside, missing a queenside pawn and he doesn't have time to push too many pawns anyway). White also doesn't want to trade anything... some combination Bc4 / Nf3 / Nc3 / Qe2 / O-O / pushing e5 is what white winds up playing 90% of the time, it's all that really makes sense. Which means black really does not struggle to memorize his response to this opening, at all. Black can play a very easy to memorize set of moves that land him in a fantastic position. And it's not as rare a line as white players seem to think it is, either - it's a move-2 deviation.

At 1400 I think it will work... it serves its only function which is to minimize the amount of effort white has to put into the opening. But at some point (way before magnus level), when black knows what to do, it just becomes very lame / weak. The numbers speak for themselves.

The basic setup with the e4-e5 is just a basic motif. There are plenty of others in the Morra.

You'd best tell IM Marc Esserman that the Morra is only good to beat 1400s the next time he slaughters 2500+ rated players online, or, indeed, beats IMs and GMs OTB.

Esserman still routinely uses the gambit (and wins) against highly rated palyers online.

  • Marc Esserman – Loek van Wely (GM)U.S. Open, 2011→ Esserman’s most famous Smith-Morra victory. He defeats a 2700-rated super-GM with a brilliant kingside attack and textbook Morra themes.
    (Game widely published — see Boston Globe Chess Notes, Sept 2011.)

  • Marc Esserman – Zbyněk Hráček (GM)Marshall Chess Club / New York International, 2009→ A critical win in Esserman’s IM title run. He keeps dynamic pressure throughout and wins a sharp middlegame.
    (Referenced on the Boylston Chess Club blog, June 2009.)

  • Marc Esserman – Alexander Ivanov (GM)Continental Open, Sturbridge, 2014→ Deep preparation meets over-the-board creativity. Esserman sacrifices a pawn early, takes over the dark squares, and outplays Ivanov in the late middlegame.
    (Annotated in various U.S. tournament reports.)

  • Marc Esserman – D. Gukesh (later GM)Cannes Open, 2017→ A spectacular attacking game versus the future Indian prodigy. Esserman demonstrates how the Morra can still generate chaos even against modern defensive setups.

  • Marc Esserman – Justin Sarkar (IM)Miami Open, 2008→ A fast and clean tactical win — pure Morra energy. Esserman sacrifices material to open lines and finishes in style.

https://lichess.org/@/MassterofMayhem

Black has many good ways to handle the Morra, and what's even worse is that practical Black players won't bother to learn much about it, and meet it with the same crap they are using against the Alapin (3.c3 Nf6, or even 3.c3 e5). Both of them are very comfortable for Black, e.g. after 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 the modern trend is to delay d2-d4 with Nf3+Bc4, or even g3+Bg2 before pushing in the center.

And while you don't need to know all that the next time you play against GM XYZ, I can assure you that you won't be included in any "wanted" list because you know too much.

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91.6% over 23 moves in the SMG.