if you know that your opponent is a "1....g6" player, will you choose 1.e4 or 1.d4 to fight against

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Is there any difference between d4 vs modern and e4 vs modern?
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What about 1.h4?

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It doesnt matter. You are gonna play e4,d4 anyways! If you are more familiar with e4 openings your instinct it's gonna push f4! If you are a d4 player you still push f4 because you want to play for a clear opening advantage.

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Like Bishop_g5, I always play e4 and d4 if he opens 1...g6.

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If you know your opponent is a 1...g6 player and you specifically want to keep him out of his comfort zone, your choices are 1.b3 and 1.b4.

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ThrillerFan wrote:

If you know your opponent is a 1...g6 player and you specifically want to keep him out of his comfort zone, your choices are 1.b3 and 1.b4.

Those seem like quite good choices

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@lecrerk1 Just for curiosity, after 4.Bg3, why not play 4... f4, winning the bishop?  I would play that.

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@lecrerk1 Just for curiosity, after 4.Bg3, why not play 4... f3, winning the bishop?  I would play that.

After 4...f4, Qh5# is obviously checkmate, but Black has other problems to solve besides this one, in some instances Rg8, or even Rh7 is not out of the question, Black plays Qe7 at some point because 0-0-0 or even leaving the King in the center is better than castling kingside, the idea behind the moves is to build a strong center, some kind of Chinese Wall in the center, and castling queenside later on in the game into safety. There's no comfort zone when playing the Dutch.

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leklerk1 wrote:
marcusrg wrote:

@lecrerk1 Just for curiosity, after 4.Bg3, why not play 4... f3, winning the bishop?  I would play that.

After 4...f4, Qh5# is obviously checkmate, but Black has other problems to solve besides this one, in some instances Rg8, or even Rh7 is not out of the question, Black plays Qe7 at some point because 0-0-0 or even leaving the King in the center is better than castling kingside, the idea behind the moves is to build a strong center, some kind of Chinese Wall in the center, and castling queenside later on in the game into safety. There's no comfort zone when playing the Dutch, only scam.

 

Ok, but after 4... f4, white can't play Qh5, white has to play e3 or e4 first.  If 4...f4 5.e3 or 5.e4, black can play 5... Nf6, and there is no more Qh5.  But I agree that the king side is a mess for black.  

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marcusrg wrote:
leklerk1 wrote:
marcusrg wrote:

@lecrerk1 Just for curiosity, after 4.Bg3, why not play 4... f3, winning the bishop?  I would play that.

After 4...f4, Qh5# is obviously checkmate, but Black has other problems to solve besides this one, in some instances Rg8, or even Rh7 is not out of the question, Black plays Qe7 at some point because 0-0-0 or even leaving the King in the center is better than castling kingside, the idea behind the moves is to build a strong center, some kind of Chinese Wall in the center, and castling queenside later on in the game into safety. There's no comfort zone when playing the Dutch, only scam.

 

Ok, but after 4... f4, white can't play Qh5, white has to play e3 or e4 first.  If 4...f4 5.e3 or 5.e4, black can play 5... Nf6, and there is no more Qh5.  But I agree that the king side is a mess for black.  

He plays e3, the pawn is hanging, upon taking the bishop, since there's no other way to protect the pawn, Qh5#.

Black is after 4...f4 at best with a pawn down in an otherwise compromised position.

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Leklerk, every time u answer on this forum, u tell something which is not linked to the topic.

So create another topic but please, answer the questions and not off topic.

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poucin wrote:

Leklerk, every time u answer on this forum, u tell something which is not linked to the topic.

So create another topic but please, answer the questions and not off topic.

I was just pointing out that I'm pushing my f pawn against it, with my white pieces as well, whether White plays 1.g3 or black 1...g6 what follows at some point is P-KB4. This is my set of moves: 1. d4 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. Bg5, and now it admittedly depends on Black's next move.

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i don't see the link between 1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 h6 and playing f4 against g6...

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poucin wrote:

i don't see the link between 1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 h6 and playing f4 against g6...

How come? The first moves have a lot in common. d4, Bg5, and probably h6, as for f5, it's basically KB4 ( descriptive notation ).

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leklerk1 wrote:
poucin wrote:

i don't see the link between 1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 h6 and playing f4 against g6...

How come? The first moves have a lot in common. d4, Bg5, and probably h6, as for f5, it's basically KB4 ( descriptive notation ).

 

How does it link with 1...g6?