Improving Ruy Lopez as White?

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jimmy_g_09

Hi,

I've been trying to play 'better' openings in an attempt to improve over last 6-12 months. Basically mainlining everything from a 1.e4 base and trying to work out where I went wrong. It's a good general strategy for sure.

Sicilians, french etc of course a challenge, but I am really really struggling in the Ruy Lopez with a parity score at best. I'm playing 10-0, and often getting to move 10ish with a good position, working it out, learning etc ... usually getting 3 or 4 mins down on clock!

The problem is, no matter how I play it I just seem to end up in my opponent's pet lines, and there are so many ultra-deep variations with very subtle differences in move orders and thematic plans. I've included a game I just played where I was seemingly playing best moves until on move 19 I played d4 instead of c4. My opponent obviously knew position way better than i did and was way up on the clock, then I fell apart when it got desperate.

I would say that it the Ruy is maybe not the best opening for my play style (direct, central, combative), so that makes it harder, but I could really use some general advice to master this. I've tried d3 ideas, c3 d4 approaches. I already own 'easy guide to ruy lopez', which seems good but I don't really have time to spend 100 hours going  through it. Any thoughts from advanced players or ruy experts?

I'm also questioning if I should just go back to vienna / kings gambit or scotch gambit stuff against 1.e5 ...  as will probably be so better in practical terms and the Ruy is too ambitious for my level / time commitment... thoughts?

sorry for the long post but wanted to share my pain wink.png

Nerwal

I do not understand the analysis of the given game. In my opinion 18. g4 was just too shaky and it's simply a case of White seriously weakening his kingside when Black already held some initative on this part of the board.

jimmy_g_09

thanks ... you're right. i think have a habit of playing g4 too much. Here it's just a positionally dreadful move.  Probably I'm not respecting blacks' kingside play nearly enough in general.

any general / ruy tips appreciated

 

daxypoo
you are way higher rated than i so take advice with grain of salt

but have you looked at karpov ruy games?
Uhohspaghettio1
jimmy_g_09 wrote:

thanks ... you're right. i think have a habit of playing g4 too much. Here it's just a positionally dreadful move.  Probably I'm not respecting blacks' kingside play nearly enough in general.

any general / ruy tips appreciated

 

How about just playing h3 like everyone else? If you're not going to play a mainline move like h3 then you're supposed to know what to do with the pin so you don't have the disastrous carnage like what happens in your game. Don't expect us to know how to play your offbeat opening.  

nighteyes1234

not sure where you are getting your 'best' moves from, but this game u should have known this was going to be a marshall counter attack.

As for studying Ruy, Id go over what doesnt work for white(in theory) first rather than the best moves.

BeatleFred

Perhaps you can consider playing 4) bxc6 instead  and keep the position from getting too complex (Fischer played it).   If you want to study/play the Lopez, it can get even more complicated and sharp if someone plays the Schliemann with 3..f5 instead of 3.. a6.

I am a Vienna enthusiast, so yes, dont abandon 2) Nc3. 

SwimmerBill

Why not try playing the 5. d4 lines in the Morphy defense? Then they end up in your pet line.

jimmy_g_09

Uhoh Despite your brutal delivery you are right. I don't love playing h3 in general and yeah it's OK not to play it if either you know theory by heart or just calculate impractically fast in blitz games... Thx