Interesting Sicilian Line I came up with analysis would be appreciated

any analysis is appreciated.  Its an opening I thought up earlier and it looks good...please tear it to shreds for me.

It transposes to a pirc-like opening line.

Doesn't 16 Bd6 win the exchange?

I dislike 9...Qb6 as after 10 Qd2, white can threaten to swap his knight for your fianchettoed bishop, 11Nf5 Qxb2 12 NxBg7  leaves white with the dark squared bishop. I just find that Qxb2 is almost invariably a poisoned pawn.

Would the following line be better for white:

15. Nxc8 Rxc8

16. Bxe5

If so, how does black reply?

(Sorry if I missed something big... I'm still working out the "kinks" as a player!)

I would prefer to castle queenside, so I don't risk my king's safety when pawn storming.

streetfighter wrote:

Hi guys,

This is all theory I'm afraid (though well done on getting to a position former world champion Max Euwe had in 1940!!).

After 15.Nxc8, black doesn't have to recapture immediately, but can play the intermediate 15...Rd8 pinning the white bishop to the queen - 2 of white's pieces are now hanging, so black regains the material. Actually, even if he does recapture immediately (15...Raxc8) After 16.Bxe5 Rfd8! also regains the piece.

Also, 10.Qd2 is just a blunder which loses material to 10...Nxe4 I'm afraid.

It's good to have independent thought/analysis, but it's also useful to have access to a database so that you're not constantly trying to re-invent the wheel-makes life a bit easier and let's you focus your analysis on more important things.

little bit new to programs for chess...which database would you recommend? Winboard? Forgive the noobness.

This is just a Classical Dragon.  Nothing much to comment about here.

streetfighter wrote:

Hi guys,

This is all theory I'm afraid (though well done on getting to a position former world champion Max Euwe had in 1940!!).

After 15.Nxc8, black doesn't have to recapture immediately, but can play the intermediate 15...Rd8 pinning the white bishop to the queen - 2 of white's pieces are now hanging, so black regains the material. Actually, even if he does recapture immediately (15...Raxc8) After 16.Bxe5 Rfd8! also regains the piece.

Also, 10.Qd2 is just a blunder which loses material to 10...Nxe4 I'm afraid.

It's good to have independent thought/analysis, but it's also useful to have access to a database so that you're not constantly trying to re-invent the wheel-makes life a bit easier and let's you focus your analysis on more important things.

 I am sure you have a point as I am often amazed at what I can miss but after10 Qd2 Nxe4 11 Nxd4 then if ...Nxd4 12 c3 works and if ,,,Bxd4 12 Bxd4 Nxd4 13 c3 and I would guess white has compensation for the pawn with a good kingside attack.  In any case, black's Qb6 seems problematic to me as It permits discovered attacks and Qxb2 is dangerous and permitting white to swap his knight for black's dark squared bishop could be suicidal.  You are probably right that I did prematurely suggest 10 Qd2  and it should have been prepared better. 

St. F

I am sure you are right, and as white and faced with the dragon, I invariably go for the Yugoslav so I am unfamiliar with this entire line.  You are saying that much or all of this is book, and if so, my instincts (that ...Qb6 is bad and leads to discovered attacks and swapping white's d4 knight for black's g7 bishop) are overly optimistic for white. I will attempt to look up Euwe's game and see how it goes.  The position certainly has enough inherent complications to merit discussion.

I will attempt to post St. Fighter's suggested 1940 Kramer-Euwe game.  Half the time I attempt to PGN, things get weird, so  I will do so on a following post.  It ironically demonstrates my 1st instincts even more simply than I had expected as I thought white had to protect his c3 knight or 12 Nf5 Qxb2 13 NxBg7 QxNc3    14 Bd4 Qc7 and black looks like he can keep the piece.  There is probably a better way to play it.  Although Kramer won, he did not get the devastating attack out of it I had expected with white retaining his dark squared bishop against black's bishop-less fianchettoed pawn position.

streetfighter wrote:

I use ChessBase (Megabase2008) or if I don't have access to my own computer I use NICBase Online.

This gives me access to about 4 million games, so you're hard-pushed to find a position which someone, somewhere, hasn't been in before! (Problem then of course is working out if they played it correctly or not!).

Thanks for that response. It looks like ChessBase costs money so I'm checking out NICbase, but it doesn't seem to really do anything more than chessgames or any other site does. For example, it doesn't show you better possible moves or midgame statistics.

Escapest_Pawn wrote:

Position after move 9.  Apologize for my inability to start game at correct move 10. Perhaps someone can help me.

Ah thanks for posting this I've never seen this game before.  I really appreciate all the analysis everyones given.  Analysis like this is why I love chess I'm going to enjoy going over this game.  By the way move 3(12)...Qe6!? (+=?) appears inferior to my move 12.Qxb2 = could some one explain the logic to me the piece vexchange is worse for black than the pawn exchange which allows for a more active position by playing Qe6 he's locking himself into defending the rest of the game which ultimately results in whites sharp attack which wins the exchange and the game.  By the way what alternatives are there I'd like to look at someother lines now as well possibly 12.Qc7!? ( or maybe 12. Bxf5? 13. Bxb6 axb6[+-][loses but interesting worth looking at imho.])

....Qxb2 is almost invariably a poisoned pawn early in the game.  But I too was concerned about it which is why I semi-blundered (discussed above) by attempting to prepare for Nf5 with Qd2.

I do agree with you.  I am not sure exactly how Kramer would have responded to it.  There are possibilities, an immediate Bd4 with threat to e5 knight and discovered attack threats on queen plus getting bishop to powerful diagonal. But white's 1st job is NxBg7 to make his plans effective.  My guess is:

13 NxBg7 KxNg7 14 Qd2 Ng8 15 Bd4 now if f6 16 BxNe5 fxBe5 17 RxRf8 KxRf8 18 Qd8+ and although I have not set up the pieces, I think white has black busted. His knight and other rook and king's bishop all come in. And if 15...Rd8 hoping to pin the bishop, 16 BxNe5 is check.

My original point, that should a player's fiancettoed bishop get traded for a knight, leaving the oposing (in this case white's black squared)bishop on the board, the player is in for real trouble.  There are all sorts of cases where the queen and bishop can unavoidably walk in on him and in this case, although black's Ng8 defends crucial squares, it is a backwards move permitting white's queenside fun.  All in all, I think Euwe had a bad day.