Interesting Way To Transpose into the French Defense from the Owen Defense

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darkunorthodox88

reading this ridiculous response above i now realize  im wasting my breath here. I will just flash my "im a master  you are not card" and keep my sanity smh. Arguing with class players  on an opening im a master at even after i show specific lines without getting a dime or a reasonable rebuttal is a waste of time. I will just ignore you from now on.

neveraskmeforadraw

2300+ fide is what it takes to be a master here in Europe. I don't think 2200 uscf is on the same level as 2300 fide.

darkunorthodox88
neveraskmeforadraw wrote:

2300+ fide is what it takes to be a master here in Europe. I don't think 2200 uscf is on the same level as 2300 fide.

2200 is CM strength. conversion between uscf and fide is tricky (some calculators have 2200 uscf to be about 2198 fide) but this is not a universal rule. My country has an IM rated in the high 2100's FIDE (and he is a very young player, not an out of prime IM either).

luckily, it doesnt matter if you consider me a master or not, i have my letters for life. and more importantly im both stronger and far more experienced in my opening than all of you combined in this forum. I have tried showing many lines and hoping to get a constructive discussion on specific chess positions, But all i get is generic opinions from class players or if im lucky get a 5 move reply.

Prometheus_Fuschs

"And no, Score is not percent of wins.  It's total points scored out of total games."

Well jeez I didn't know that, surely the post you replied indicated so:

"Score != Percentage of wins and no, a busted opening doesn't need to have a 100% score at all."

darkunorthodox88
1e41-0 wrote:

I’m an FM.

And the Owen’s defense is crap.

 

And so are you. 

where you born a d-bag or did you train for this role?

must be shredder who gave you that eval XD

neveraskmeforadraw

@unorthodox, so you're basicaly a CM. That's fine, I guess, but hardly impressive.

darkunorthodox88
neveraskmeforadraw wrote:

@unorthodox, so you're basicaly a CM. That's fine, I guess, but hardly impressive.

iIm not here to impress anyone but the level of discussion leaves a lot to be desired. Everyone rather parrot some common "wisdom" instead of you know, discussing actual chess lines! 

l

Prometheus_Fuschs

Lots of elitism here

ThrillerFan
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

"And no, Score is not percent of wins.  It's total points scored out of total games."

Well jeez I didn't know that, surely the post you replied indicated so:

"Score != Percentage of wins and no, a busted opening doesn't need to have a 100% score at all."

 

And your "score != percent wins" jargon WAS IN REPLY TO MY CORRECT 79 PERCENT ASSESSMENT!

 

Nobody cares about "decisive result percentages".  They are utter brown stuff.

 

Nobody cares that you got 42 wins in 100 games.  Means NOTHING!

 

Did you get 42 wins and 58 draws?  Phenomenal results!

Did you get 42 wins and 58 losses?  BARF!  Especially if you are talking White, but even Black, 42 percent is not good!

 

The 79 percent was not only correct but also the ONLY number that matters!  Percent wins don't mean squat.

 

If I am Black playing 20 games, I will take 19 draws and a loss long before I take 6 wins, 12 losses, and 2 draws.  Again, wins do not mean anything without counting the draws. 

 

Counting wins and not draws does nothing but skew statistics.  Leaving out the draws would be like saying that Trump leads Biden in the polls by leaving out the women, or leaving out the African-Americans, or leaving out all people that make a household income of under $100,000.  We all know the latest polls show Trump trails by 10%, and that is determined by polling a diverse group.  Women, men, caucasians, Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians, rich, middle class, poor, etc.

 

The moment you exclude something (in your case, draws), the stats are meaningless!

Prometheus_Fuschs
ThrillerFan escribió:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

"And no, Score is not percent of wins.  It's total points scored out of total games."

Well jeez I didn't know that, surely the post you replied indicated so:

"Score != Percentage of wins and no, a busted opening doesn't need to have a 100% score at all."

 

And your "score != percent wins" jargon WAS IN REPLY TO MY CORRECT 79 PERCENT ASSESSMENT!

 

Nobody cares about "decisive result percentages".  They are utter brown stuff.

 

Nobody cares that you got 42 wins in 100 games.  Means NOTHING!

 

Did you get 42 wins and 58 draws?  Phenomenal results!

Did you get 42 wins and 58 losses?  BARF!  Especially if you are talking White, but even Black, 42 percent is not good!

 

The 79 percent was not only correct but also the ONLY number that matters!  Percent wins don't mean squat.

 

If I am Black playing 20 games, I will take 19 draws and a loss long before I take 6 wins, 12 losses, and 2 draws.  Again, wins do not mean anything without counting the draws. 

 

Counting wins and not draws does nothing but skew statistics.  Leaving out the draws would be like saying that Trump leads Biden in the polls by leaving out the women, or leaving out the African-Americans, or leaving out all people that make a household income of under $100,000.  We all know the latest polls show Trump trails by 10%, and that is determined by polling a diverse group.  Women, men, caucasians, Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians, rich, middle class, poor, etc.

 

The moment you exclude something (in your case, draws), the stats are meaningless!

Nope, wrong again, you could trivially deduce the draw score by substracting the sum of the percetages I gave to 100% so no information loss, again this is something I already implied but alas you are now deaf from your years.

Oakus

Can someone lock this thread

ThrillerFan

LOCKED!  YOU ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT!  ANYTHING SAID IN POSTS 119 AND HIGHER CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURTROOM FULL OF CHESS.COM ADMINS.  YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO A CHESS.COM ACCOUNT.  IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD AN ACCOUNT, A FREE ACCOUNT WITH RIGHTS TO 5 TACTICS PROBLEMS PER DAY WILL BE PROVIDED FOR YOU!

poucin

Many lack good manners in this thread...

Need to be reeducated but too late i guess...

darkunorthodox88

I would say this forum has been ruined, but that implies a noticeable precipice which i fail to find.

sndeww

Please, just snip the top ones in the quoting. Not everyone can afford to spend so much time scrolling through a ladder of letters.

HurtU

There are certainly many variations where the Owen Defense can have a similar pawn structure to the French Defense. This is especially the case when White decides to advance advance his pawn to e5. Black seeks to undermine White's pawn center with breaks like ...c5 and ...f6 - which is very French-like.

In many cases the Owen Defense is an improved version of the French Defense with Black's light-squared bishop actively fianchettoed. 

What I like about the Owen Defense (much like the French) is that the plan is clear and the position is easy to play. Plus, it's true the many players playing the White pieces are unsure what to do and can often get tripped up by a player who is prepped in the Owen's intricacies. 

I have toyed with the Owen Defense and actually had a tremendous amount of success with it. I seldom got to a French-like position because White usually made a early mistake that caused his position to unravel before there was any chance for the position to resemble a French Defense.

darkunorthodox88
HurtU wrote:

There are certainly many variations where the Owen Defense can have a similar pawn structure to the French Defense. This is especially the case when White decides to advance advance his pawn to e5. Black seeks to undermine White's pawn center with breaks like ...c5 and ...f6 - which is very French-like.

In many cases the Owen Defense is an improved version of the French Defense with Black's light-squared bishop actively fianchettoed. 

What I like about the Owen Defense (much like the French) is that the plan is clear and the position is easy to play. Plus, it's true the many players playing the White pieces are unsure what to do and can often get tripped up by a player who is prepped in the Owen's intricacies. 

I have toyed with the Owen Defense and actually had a tremendous amount of success with it. I seldom got to a French-like position because White usually made a early mistake that caused his position to unravel before there was any chance for the position to resemble a French Defense.

The only clear advantage of French like Owen variations to proper frenches, is that you can bypass the boredom of the exchange variation.  Other than that, it depends on the specific owen variation you are discussing. 
in general i have found that, the french like lines, with nc3-bd3-qe2 are fairly easy to play as black, the bd3-qe2- c3 lines lead to very closed games although blacks position is quite often underestimated because people judge it too much like a standard french. (its not, black is not hoping for qb6 or f6, but either to play for a massive pawn storm, or to play a5-ba6, or sometimes to play g5-g3-h4, qc7 0-0-0).   the bd3-nbd2 lines are fairly harmless , but the bd3-nge2 formation is by far the most challenging to play in this fashion.

Uhohspaghettio1

The Owens is supposed to be intentionally ludicrous. It's sort of like an early version of the bongcloud or a little like the fried liver (just a little, of course it's a lot easier to play). Okay so after years of learning theory and practice you're out of the opening and white has no massive attack, big woop? You could achieve the same thing playing random non-committal hedgehog type moves. The Owens is an academic thing, an idea... and you're here comparing it to proper openings like the French? Using your nm status as some kind of 'proof' and claiming people who disagree are just looking at the computer? Get a life.

darkunorthodox88
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

The Owens is supposed to be intentionally ludicrous. It's sort of like an early version of the bongcloud or a little like the fried liver (just a little, of course it's a lot easier to play). Okay so after years of learning theory and practice you're out of the opening and white has no massive attack, big woop? You could achieve the same thing playing random non-committal hedgehog type moves. The Owens is an academic thing, an idea... and you're here comparing it to proper openings like the French? Using your nm status as some kind of 'proof' and claiming people who disagree are just looking at the computer? Get a life.

I have no idea what you are talking about . The only thing improper here is your grasp on what im talking about.

sndeww

From my experiences playing against the Owens I find it a tough nut to crack if black knows his stuff.