Is 1..g6 always playable?

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jengaias wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
jengaias wrote:
keisyzrk wrote:
jengaias wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:

@keisyzrk has said something pretty important here: The reason openings like the Scandinavian and the Modern aren't played much at the highest levels is because White has so many ways to get an advantage.

  And of course he is wrong.There is no advanatge for white in Scandinavian according to GM Kotronias.

In fact Kotronias says in  his book that  looking for an advantage for so long and not finding any, made him respect Scandinavian and even start playing it.

The well known world champion Kotronias. Lol. if white wasn't better and black was equalizing then everyone would play it. Nerd.

    Kotronias is not good enough for you?You understand chess better than him?

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Vlastimil Hort understands chess better than Kotronias.

And what Vlastimil Hort said about Scandinavian?

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Hort would say, I know one thing for sure.  jengaias is BIG CHICKEN, A CHESS ENGINE CHICKEN.  That is what Hort would say.  lol

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SeniorPatzer wrote:

Maybe we should start a new thread:  "

"Is 1... d5 always playable?"

Although I'm pretty sure I wouldn't play 1... d5 against 1. c4.

 

 

Why not, the Anglo-Scandinavian is quite sound! grin.png

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keisyzrk wrote:
  1. What we can know: Absolute truth exists. Put another way, the claim “There are absolutes” is absolutely true.  Or more directly, FoF's claim that "There are no absolutes" is false.>>>

    The statement "there are no absolutes" is itself an absolute, so it's false.

    Truth refers to the coincidence of accounts of states of affairs ("reality"). Truth doesn't exist as and of itself, since that's "that which exists" only. "Truth" refers to a hypothetical accuount of "that which exists" such that the account is correct. Unfortunately, we can only know it's correct by comparing it with a true account and so we get a vicious perpetuality, or whatever else philosophers wish to call accounts that are implicitly self-referential only.

    Sorry about that folks. Whiskytime. Then Bedtime.
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Optimissed wrote:
keisyzrk wrote:
  1. What we can know: Absolute truth exists. Put another way, the claim “There are absolutes” is absolutely true.  Or more directly, FoF's claim that "There are no absolutes" is false.>>>

    The statement "there are no absolutes" is itself an absolute, so it's false.

    Truth refers to the coincidence of accounts of states of affairs ("reality"). Truth doesn't exist as and of itself, since that's "that which exists" only. "Truth" refers to a hypothetical accuount of "that which exists" such that the account is correct. Unfortunately, we can only know it's correct by comparing it with a true account and so we get a vicious perpetuality, or whatever else philosophers wish to call accounts that are implicitly self-referential only.

    Sorry about that folks. Whiskytime. Then Bedtime.

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Bring philosophy into it.  That will really muddy things up. 

What is the meaning of meaning?  Deep Thought, then everybody says whisky time,  then bedtime.

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SeniorPatzer wrote:

Maybe we should start a new thread:  "

"Is 1... d5 always playable?"

Although I'm pretty sure I wouldn't play 1... d5 against 1. c4.

 

When I'm not feeling too serious I'll premove 1...d5 in all my blitz games.

Yeah, it's not great against c4. I'll play 1.c4 d5 2.cxd Nf6 3.e4 c6 which I think is the smith morra a tempo down heh.

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Just looked at some of the games of some fellow named Mikhail Bottvinik who seemed to like playing g6 in his games and he did pretty well with it.

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And then there's the old-fashioned, snail-mail paper correspondence chess, when one player answered 1. d4 by writing "1...g6, if any then 2...Bg7" so white played 2. Bh6 and 3. Bxg7...

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zac_howland wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

You confuse a lot of people on this site.  But you won't confuse me.  Don't believe me let's play an OTB game face to face.  I will even play you 2 in a simul OTB.  What state do you live in.  The next time there is a tournament worth going to in your state.  I will make arrangements to meet you.  There  is your challenge.  Now the pucker factor begins for you 2.

 

You confuse yourself since you know just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be useful.  That said, the US Open is in my city in July/Aug.  You are more then welcome to come let me grab rating points from you.  I'll even hand you a couple books on Hypermodernism as a parting gift.  Heck, I may even include the updated "Tiger's Modern" so you can give yourself a headache wondering why he lets e4 and d4 be played as the first 2 moves :-P

 

 

Does anyone else like reading smack talk written by anonymous players/trolls?

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My post was prompted  after several provocations.

Please read some of  my posts throughout  the site. 

The confidence of understanding the correct perspective of a chess position and the understanding of why  you are making the move you are making will go a long way to curing your jitters.

               

#6 1 hr ago

There is a lot of new information in this post.  Read it slowly and carefully.  Anytime you don't understand or have questions.   Just stop and  either message me or send me a  note.

 

Purpose of development - why beginners shouldn't study openings

Purpose of development -  you will learn that the purpose is to gain advantages in time, space and material by using the strategies of restraining, blockading, and executing the enemy to gain control of the center (the squares d4,d5,e4,e5).  Piece moves are direct development.  Pawn moves are aids to development, therefore they are indirect development moves.

 beginners shouldn't study openings 

Almost all strong players would disagree.  The reasons they disagree are contained in 2 books that will change your  perspective of how to play chess.  The 2 books are:  "My System" , by Aaron Nimzowitsch. and "Pawn Power In Chess", by Hans  Kmoch. 

I have learned the basic fundamentals, like develop your pieces, protect them, castle early, don't move pieces twice in a row etc.

Those  are NOT the basic fundamentals.

In order to learn  the  basic fundamentals you must change your perspective of the game of chess in 3 ways. First chess is Siege Warfare in game form.   There are 3 basic strategies in Siege Warfare.  They are:  Restrain, Blockade, and Execute the enemy. 

The  second change in perspective has to do with pawns.  The principle that you must learn is:  Winning chess is the  strategically/tactically correct advance of the pawn mass.

The 3rd change in perspective has to do with control of the center.  There are 2 theories in chess regarding control of the center:

Classical center control theory - control the center by occupying the center (d4,d5,e4,e5 squares) with pawns and pieces.

Hypermodern center control theory  - control the center with the power of your pawns and pieces.  This avoids your pawns and pieces becoming targets of the enemy pieces because they are not physically occupying the center (d4,d5,e4,e5).  

Once you learn what the basic techniques of restrain, blockade and execute the enemy are, and combine them in your brain with control the center, develop your pieces, etc. you will understand opening books. You will understand how using the strategies of restrain, blockade, and execute the enemy together with  control the center, develop your pieces, etc. combine to increase or decrease advantages/disadvantages in time, space and  material.  

The change in perspective in your brain causes you to shift your focus back and forth from concentrating on  the squares the pawns and pieces control to concentrating on the pawns and pieces  themselves as you analyze the position.  It is difficult at first to do this.  But as you practice it drastically improves your analysis of the position in front of  you. 

The second change in perspective causes you to concentrate on pawn structure.  Concentrating on pawn structure will reveal 2 things to you.  The first is the 3rd change in perspective which is what center control theory is being applied in the opening that has developed on the board.  You  will learn that there is  a difference in what moves are made if you are fighting for control of  the center with the hypermodern  method with what is called a small but secure center.  Or you are  fighting for control of  the center  with the classical method of occupying the center with your pawns and pieces.  Pawn structure is the terrain of the chess battlefield.  The second revelation is the pawn structure itself which forms the hills, valleys and  mountains of where the  war is fought.   Your plan of  attack move by move has to conform to the pawn structure,  Otherwise  your  battle plan might call for going thru a mountain given the pawn structure of the position on the board.  The bird's eye view of the  pawn structure of the position on the board makes finding candidate moves much easier.  Especially if you know  that one the important characteristics that you are looking for in the pawn structure is where the pawn breaks are or will  be in the very near future.  Pawn breaks are those places in the pawn structure where the opposing pawns are in contact with each  other in a  formation that permits captures of other pawns or pieces.  Also, the execution of a pawn break is almost always the move that signals the first move of the beginning of the middle  game.

I struggle at the next moves - the middle game - lack of plan I guess. What can I do in order to get the initiative in the middle game?

Studying  opening books teaches you the move that begins the middlegame in that opening.  Knowing the exact move when the middlegame begins is a big advantage in itself.  Studying the opening books also teaches you what typical middlegame plan(s) of attack result from the opening you are studying.  Being familiar with the typical middlegame pawn structures and where the pawn breaks are in the opening you  are  playing in a game is a great advantage over your opponent.  All of this information confirms what you wrote in your post:

I believe, that learning an opening (10-15 moves) could give you an advantage in the middle game, especially at my level, and help me have an actual plan. Am I wrong? What should I do?

What should I do? 

Select an opening repertoire that consists of 2 openings as White and 2 openings as Black(one opening against  White's 1.e4 and one opening against White's 1.d4).  Your overarching goal will be to build a visualization pattern memory bank into your brain of those openings, middlegames and endgames and the typical tactics that are themes or motifs in those 3 stages of the game.  As you are studying the openings, the middlegame, the endgame, and tactics your goal in your training is to keep adding visualization patterns to the memory bank in your brain.

I also find it difficult to apply the tactics puzzles I have sold, as there are barely any tactics that can be done, with a bad positioning.

Your chess training system should consist of  adding visualization patterns to your memory bank everyday of the following sections:

1. Tactics visualization pattern memory bank

2. Openings visualization pattern memory bank

3. Midddlegame visualization pattern memory bank

4. Endgame visualization pattern memory bank

 

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zac_howland wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

My post was prompted  after several provocations.

Please read some of  my posts throughout  the site. 

The confidence of understanding the correct perspective of a chess position and the understanding of why  you are making the move you are making will go a long way to curing your jitters.

 

If by "prompted" you mean were shown to be factually incorrect numerous times, then yes.  You were the one challenging everyone under the sun after you were shown to be incorrect, so no one else "prompted" you.

You copy-paste the same diatribe of mostly nonsense on almost every thread, so I was wondering how long it would be until you did the same here

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I challenged you to an OTB game at your convenience.  You ran away into chicken land, 

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It's perfectly playable as black.You only have to know the tricks of playing in the centre and responding to any white attacks.I will post a game of mine where i had white and could have lost a pawn later

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fieldsofforce wrote:

Bring philosophy into it.  That will really muddy things up. 

What is the meaning of meaning?  Deep Thought, then everybody says whisky time,  then bedtime.>>>

Yeah you're right, of course, I was just playing. It had already been whisky-time.

 

But "meaning" is a verbal symbol and, like all symbols, we often use them thoughtlessly and mechanically. So, just lke any symbol, the meaning of "meaning" can be explored & it isn't a big deal that it seems self-referential. If we look at "meaning" with reference to "interpretation", it becomes clearer. It's to do with thinking systematically about things that we often take for granted, like 1e4 or 1...g6.

 

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Btw I've been arguing consistently for months and years that studying the openings properly is the best way a beginner can learn. But it's such a daunting task and NOT studying openings first, a player may appear to make quicker initial progress. One argument for the position that I and others like Fieldsofforce are supporting is the bad habits people can get into. We've all seen players who could be quite strong but they only begin playing when they're out of the opening. Maybe they are quitre strong but they could be much stronger. One argument for that approach is that it may lead the game into territory with which the opponent isn't familiar. Another is clock time, if "solid" moves are always favoured as opposed to "book moves" or tactical continuations in the opening. And, simply, the idea of feeling more secure and trying to let the game develop "organically". But, as it's been pointed out above, studying openings leads naturally to the study of typical tactics and strategies arising from those openings. Why invent the wheel?

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Optimissed wrote:

Btw I've been arguing consistently for months and years that studying the openings roperly is the best way a beginner can learn. But it's such a daunting task and NOT studying openings first, a player may appear to make quicker initial progress.

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I agree with you.  But before computers the endgame was the place to start.  With computers the opening tree is built automatically as you select the openings that will be part of your opening repertoire.  Naturally it is still necessary to study books  on strategy, specific  specialized openings, and middle game books.  The endgame is still accumulating endgame visualization pattern memory banks by hand.  The only way  is to study endgame books.

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But before computers, opening books were so much better and more organised than they are now. They set out to show you how to play chess well, or the best opening books did. After computers, books went downhill fast, because it was so easy to regurgitate database-driven games, often with really feeble analysis and commentary. That's why we revere the better books from before the computer age.

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Hort has been mentioned above. He was one of my greatest influences, right at the beginning. I had one of his early books on g6-related defences and although the book was incredibly complex for me as a beginner, and although I didn't actually play g6 defences at all, I felt I learned so much about basic strategies from Hort. Another great influence was a book on the QGA by Taimanov. I was standing next to Bronstein at a chess book stall. I picked the book up and looked at it for five minutes. Then he picked it up and started to read it. Eventually I thought he was going to buy it and I went away. Then I noticed him without the book and so I nipped back and bought it. The QGA did more than anything to change me from what they call a woodpusher into a half decent player. There were other books too. I used to buy chess books up to 200 at a time, pick the ones I wanted and sell the rest to chess book dealers at a small profit.

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zac_howland wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
zac_howland wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

My post was prompted  after several provocations.

Please read some of  my posts throughout  the site. 

The confidence of understanding the correct perspective of a chess position and the understanding of why  you are making the move you are making will go a long way to curing your jitters.

 

If by "prompted" you mean were shown to be factually incorrect numerous times, then yes.  You were the one challenging everyone under the sun after you were shown to be incorrect, so no one else "prompted" you.

You copy-paste the same diatribe of mostly nonsense on almost every thread, so I was wondering how long it would be until you did the same here

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I challenged you to an OTB game at your convenience.  You ran away into chicken land, 

Now I see you are simply delusional. I accepted your challenge and even told you a tournament I will be at. Your trolling skills are lacking.

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#34 1 day ago

You confuse a lot of people on this site.  But you won't confuse me.  Don't believe me let's play an OTB game face to face.  I will even play you 2 in a simul OTB.  What state do you live in.  The next time there is a tournament worth going to in your state.  I will make arrangements to meet you.  There  is your challenge.  Now the pucker factor begins for you 2.

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#36 1 day ago
fieldsofforce wrote:

You confuse a lot of people on this site.  But you won't confuse me.  Don't believe me let's play an OTB game face to face.  I will even play you 2 in a simul OTB.  What state do you live in.  The next time there is a tournament worth going to in your state.  I will make arrangements to meet you.  There  is your challenge.  Now the pucker factor begins for you 2.

 

You confuse yourself since you know just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be useful.  That said, the US Open is in my city in July/Aug.  You are more then welcome to come let me grab rating points from you.  I'll even hand you a couple books on Hypermodernism as a parting gift.  Heck, I may even include the updated "Tiger's Modern" so you can give yourself a headache wondering why he lets e4 and d4 be played as the first 2 moves :-P

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#38 1 day ago

zac_howland wrote:

  That said, the US Open is in my city in July/Aug.

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US Open is scheduled  for July 29th - Aug. 6th. at the Sheraton Norfoik Waterside Hotel - 777 Waterside Dr., Norfolk, VA 23510.  All of the dates and times have to be during the tournament.

What day?

What time?

At the front desk

Game 120 any public place convenient in the hotel.  Your set or mine as long it is a standard tournament set. Makes no difference.   I have a $160 digital clock.  

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zac_howland

#45 1 day ago
fieldsofforce wrote:

zac_howland wrote:

  That said, the US Open is in my city in July/Aug.

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US Open is scheduled  for July 29th - Aug. 6th. at the Sheraton Norfoik Waterside Hotel - 777 Waterside Dr., Norfolk, VA 23510.  All of the dates and times have to be during the tournament.

What day?

What time?

At the front desk

Game 120 any public place convenient in the hotel.  Your set or mine as long it is a standard tournament set. Makes no difference.   I have a $160 digital clock.  

 

I'll be there every day as I'll be playing in the tournament.  Though, if you want to play a 4-hour game in the middle of a long tournament, you may want to get there a day ahead of time.

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You took yioour sweet ass time about answering.

So, we are on for JULY 28TH Friday 11:00AM  at the Front Desk.

at the Sheraton Norfoik Waterside Hotel - 777 Waterside Dr., Norfolk, VA 23510

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fieldsofforce

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Game 120 Standard tournament Chess Board ( I have $160.00 Digital Chess Clock. to be decided)

So, we are on for JULY 28TH Friday 11:00AM  at the Front Desk.

at the Sheraton Norfoik Waterside Hotel - 777 Waterside Dr., Norfolk, VA 23510

 

Please confirm all terms on or before 1pm EST April 21, 2017

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will you be there at the specified terms:

Game 120 Standard tournament Chess Board ( I have $160.00 Digital Chess Clock. to be decided)

So, we are on for JULY 28TH Friday 11:00AM  at the Front Desk.

at the Sheraton Norfoik Waterside Hotel - 777 Waterside Dr., Norfolk, VA 23510

 

Please confirm all terms on or before 1pm EST April 21, 2017

YES  OR NO