Is 1.e4 c5 2.f4 that bad?

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Blackfoxx wrote:
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
Blackfoxx wrote:

What's the big advantage of a6 as response to 2. Nc3? Not saying it's not true or anything, just curious.

http://www.chess.com/blog/X_PLAYER_J_X/understanding-the-grand-prix-attack

Thanks but that link ain't relevant to me.

The link I posted answered your question below. So it was relevant.

Blackfoxx

What's the big advantage of a6 as response to 2. Nc3? Not saying it's not true or anything, just curious.

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skotheim2 wrote:
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skotheim2 wrote:

the point is that f4 is bad and that nf3 or ne2 is the best moves followed up with d4, which transposes to an open scicillian which black is more familiar with than the grand prix player.

I always respond with e6 to Nc3 because f4 is bad in that case as well. After Nf3 a6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 I am in familiar Schevy territory.

e6 doesnt work because


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After 2...e6 

White as 3 good moves he could play.

3.Nf3

3.Nge2

3.g3

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I don't agree. You bring in an entirely different opening, which doesn't necessarily(!) have to do with this. You indirectly seem to make a distinction between 2.. a6 and 2.. d6. I don't play any of those, thus it isn't that relevant for me is all.

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Blackfoxx wrote:

I don't agree. You bring in an entirely different opening, which doesn't necessarily(!) have to do with this. You indirectly seem to make a distinction between 2.. a6 and 2.. d6. I don't play any of those, thus it isn't that relevant for me is all.

Your below question was the following:

Blackfoxx

What's the big advantage of a6 as response to 2. Nc3? Not saying it's not true or anything, just curious.

 
The big advantage of 2...a6 against 2.Nc3.
 
Is it prevents the bishop from moving outside of the pawn chain. It can tranpose into 2...e6 lines. It often does if white develops the LSB to c4.
They than seek to gain alot of tempos on the bishop. It is just better for black.
 
2...a6 is a playable line used by O'Kelly Sicilian players.
 
I showed 5 moves black plays at move 2.
 
The distinction between 2...a6 & 2...e6 is that they are better for black if white plays a (GPA)
 
2...d6 is just better for white if white plays (GPA)
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Ok

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Against the normal GPA, 3...a6 is a good move. After 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 a6 4. Nf3 e6, white's LSB is totally shut down. I think 3...a6 is more accurate than 3...e6 because it stops Bb5, and obviously Bc4 is bad because black can play b5 (or d5 after black plays e6). But I wouldn't want to play 2...a6 because after 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4, depending on what you play it could be hard to transpose.

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dpnorman wrote:

Against the normal GPA, 3...a6 is a good move. After 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 a6 4. Nf3 e6, white's LSB is totally shut down. I think 3...a6 is more accurate than 3...e6 because it stops Bb5, and obviously Bc4 is bad because black can play b5 (or d5 after black plays e6). But I wouldn't want to play 2...a6 because after 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4, depending on what you play it could be hard to transpose.

In response to your red text:

After your sequence of moves white plays 5.d4 and the position tranposes into a Open Sicilian.

In response to your green text:

I like the move 3...g6. Maybe its my personal preference.

 

In response to your blue text:

If we use your move order and add the move 5...e6 that position would turn into an Open Sicilian. It looks like a Paulsen variation.

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@X PLAYER JX Yeah you have to be willing to play the Taimanov. I know the Taimanov very well, and the f4 variation isn't so great. If you are willing to do that, it's a great line for black.